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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You know what's funny? That this lame "the dog ate my homework" type excuse is probably going to stick and be defended to the hilt. That's have ****ed up our country has become.
    Actually, it is not going to be defended by me at least. I agree completely with those that say bull****. This kind of excuse is itself reason enough to open a thorough investigation. This is exactly the sort of excuse that definitely should result in us wondering "What in the hell are they trying to hide?"

    Furthermore, it isn't only the IRS that would have backups on their email servers of correspondence. That correspondence passed through the White House email servers as well, and should be available from there, at least in very significant part.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Crime should, and in this case, there is reason to believe that there is evidence of an actual crime. My point was in most senate investigations, its just digging for political dirt.
    True enough I guess...But who do we have to blame for that de evolution in our representative bodies? Don't we have to consider that it takes two to tango here?
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    True enough I guess...But who do we have to blame for that de evolution in our representative bodies? Don't we have to consider that it takes two to tango here?
    pretty much all politicians imho

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    pretty much all politicians imho
    Although I commend you for recognizing that this issue transcends party lines, At this point all power wielded in DC is not equal.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I am suspicious of the word crash which is too often used as short hand to describe other types of issues. That being said, backup systems can and do fail all the time for any number of reasons. Personally though, I am not sure I would give the IRS the benefit of the doubt on this one until I see documentation.
    Come on. You cannot seriously be entertaining the notion that the IRS didn't have the know how to prevent any scenario of such loss or at least be able to recover from it. The info is still there, even on a crashed computer. Unless something spontaneously happened which completely physically pulverized the primary machine's hard drives and also all the redundant machine's hard drives. It is just such an unlikely scenario. I understand the tendency to give your own side the benefit of the doubt, but the doubt here is so vanishingly small, it strains credibility light years beyond the breaking point.

    Edit: I see that your position is more nuanced in later posts.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    While the right wing has a history of trumping things up in the past, I think this is a case where you are correct, there is sufficient evidence of an actual cover up here to warrant further investigation and possible prosecution.
    I fully agree.

    I totally believe the reason this isn't getting attention is because the Republicans have been trumping things up. I think someone needs to convince Diane Feinstein. She doesn't seem to have as much partisan loyalty as other politicians do.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Although I commend you for recognizing that this issue transcends party lines, At this point all power wielded in DC is not equal.
    Its wielded by power brokers, they may be politicians or top execs. Few are concerned about the good of society.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I do this for a living. There is no one server crash in ANY federal mail system that will erase a users email archive. Give me their dead server and access to their Iron Mountain tape archive.

    This is the smoking gun. This is what starts sending people to jail.
    No one is going to jail. Not while the current Attorney General is in power. A recent article out was spot on. This is the Presidency that Nixon dreamed of.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    I find it hard to believe that the federal govt doesn't back up every single email sent and received before its even delivered to the recipient.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Come on. You cannot seriously be entertaining the notion that the IRS didn't have the know how to prevent any scenario of such loss or at least be able to recover from it. The info is still there, even on a crashed computer. Unless something spontaneously happened which completely physically pulverized the primary machine's hard drives and also all the redundant machine's hard drives. It is just such an unlikely scenario. I understand the tendency to give your own side the benefit of the doubt, but the doubt here is so vanishingly small, it strains credibility light years beyond the breaking point.

    Edit: I see that your position is more nuanced in later posts.
    Even if her computers drive is destroyed, her emails arent stored on her drive. They are on a server which has redundancy. However, its entirely possible that the IRS is so incompetent it doesnt have redundant servers.

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