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IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

While the right wing has a history of trumping things up in the past, I think this is a case where you are correct, there is sufficient evidence of an actual cover up here to warrant further investigation and possible prosecution.

I fully agree.

I totally believe the reason this isn't getting attention is because the Republicans have been trumping things up. I think someone needs to convince Diane Feinstein. She doesn't seem to have as much partisan loyalty as other politicians do.
 
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Although I commend you for recognizing that this issue transcends party lines, At this point all power wielded in DC is not equal.

Its wielded by power brokers, they may be politicians or top execs. Few are concerned about the good of society.
 
I do this for a living. There is no one server crash in ANY federal mail system that will erase a users email archive. Give me their dead server and access to their Iron Mountain tape archive.

This is the smoking gun. This is what starts sending people to jail.

No one is going to jail. Not while the current Attorney General is in power. A recent article out was spot on. This is the Presidency that Nixon dreamed of.
 
I find it hard to believe that the federal govt doesn't back up every single email sent and received before its even delivered to the recipient.
 
Come on. You cannot seriously be entertaining the notion that the IRS didn't have the know how to prevent any scenario of such loss or at least be able to recover from it. The info is still there, even on a crashed computer. Unless something spontaneously happened which completely physically pulverized the primary machine's hard drives and also all the redundant machine's hard drives. It is just such an unlikely scenario. I understand the tendency to give your own side the benefit of the doubt, but the doubt here is so vanishingly small, it strains credibility light years beyond the breaking point.

Edit: I see that your position is more nuanced in later posts.

Even if her computers drive is destroyed, her emails arent stored on her drive. They are on a server which has redundancy. However, its entirely possible that the IRS is so incompetent it doesnt have redundant servers.
 
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Excuse me if I don't believe these people. Someone needs to go to jail, and we the people need to know what the hell is going on with the IRS and the White House.

I didn't know anything about this until I watched the panel at the end of Bret Baier's show last night. Steve Hayes said "This is unbelievable, and I mean, not to be believed unbelievable".

I think what bothers me about this entire thing is that the people who are putting this obvious BS out there must obviously & truly believe that we are all stupid in this country. The level of arrogance, from Obama right on down to members of Congress, is just mindboggling.

The Republicans need to look into this for reasons other than political points, but of course they are all too worried about their re-elections so this will become political theater, which is just frustrating at best. Those assholes in both parties were elected to serve we the people, and we all know damn well that they are serving themselves.

If anyone on the left believes there is nothing to see here, and says as much, I won't know whether to laugh, cry, or hire a very good analyst for you.

I detest our government.
 
Its wielded by power brokers, they may be politicians or top execs. Few are concerned about the good of society.

So that means what? We never have enough power to question, or hold accountable those doing this crap?
 
Even if her computers drive is destroyed, her emails arent stored on her drive. They are on a server which has redundancy. However, its entirely possible that the IRS is so incompetent it doesnt have redundant servers.

Conveniently they don't have redundant servers, they would say which is another lie.

Is there anything Obama and his administrator will not lie about and cover up?
 
Are you actually saying that only the emails sent outside of the IRS, those sent to the White House, Department of Justice and so on are the only ones that are not retrievable and YOU see nothing suspicious about this?
Even Jay Carney has resigned. How can you hang on?
You have mis-understood.
 
I am very quick to rule it out, since I work in a technical field with networks, servers, etc. This is either a delay attempt or an outright denial. Hard drives these days can be burned to a crisp and most of the data can still be pulled from them. Mail servers have full backup and replication. The chances that these particular emails, from one particular person under investigation by Congress, were lost as they claim? The odds are you'd have a better chance at winning the millions jackpot lottery a few times consecutively.
I am just saying that IF the account is true it's quite possible that there were people there who were too indolent to do what could be done. That **** happens. It's not like you have never seen a tech lie to a user so that the tech could get out of some work he felt was unnecessary.

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So that means what? We never have enough power to question, or hold accountable those doing this crap?

If we did, a lot more people would be in jail from both the political and business spheres.
 
The problem is not just that there is an irrecoverable file from a hard drive; that happens on occasion. The problem is that the story would have us believe that these emails all existed on a single storage medium. Redundant back up is fundamental to data management.
I'm not one to engage in conspiracy theories, but this notion is so laughably absurd to anyone remotely familiar with system administration that one can't help but raise an eyebrow. I need to research this more.
I am aware that the e-mails should also reside on the servers of the sender's domain but also on the servers of the receiver's domain. the e-mails could also exist on the phone, tablet, laptop or w/e other devices Lerner was using.

I was asking for details about a specific claim about hds.
 
pointing out this is nothing new
that those who are criticizing this now were the ones defending the administration who lied about it previously
just another example of reich wing hypocrisy


The GOP and George Bush used the IRS to violate the Constitutional rights of free Americans ?
 
Keep it up Democrats. Keep it up Obama.

If nothing comes out of this they are still building one hell of a legacy for Obama and the Democrat party.
 
The government. I will disagree that their credibility is as low as you say, but I wouldn't want to take their word for it in this case. But yes, I would like to see the incident info on this one before I would give them a pass.

Very likely, their legal hold procedures should have prevented this at the very least, above and beyond any normal back up routines.

Speak for yourself. Their credibility is so bad with me that I consider everything they say as a lie. It is absolutely disreputable.
 
I'm waiting to see one post in this thread. No doubt there will be at least one. Should we start a pool on who it's gonna be?

I am sure that we will see for the next 2 years people posting that there is no evidence because all the emails were lost, so it is not a scandal.
 
According to the IRS, the computer crash in question occurred in 2011, prior to the the targeting scandal coming to light, and though Lerner attempted to have the hard drive in questions salvaged, IT staff were unable to recover the data because sectors of the drive had gone bad.

Read more: IRS lost two years of Lois Lerner's email in Tea Party Probe, blames computer crash - UPI.com

It's certainly possible for this to be true, but it points toward some mismanagement or negligence on the part of the IT crew.
Generally accepted practices prevent just this sort of thing from happening.
I wonder what there data retention policies are.

When an email Is sent and received it is on more than one hard drive, so how many hard drives were destroyed to get rid of these emails?

We won't even mention the server the email has to go through to get to the recipient.
 
When an email Is sent and received it is on more than one hard drive, so how many hard drives were destroyed to get rid of these emails?
We won't even mention the server the email has to go through to get to the recipient.
Too late, I already mentioned them
I am aware that the e-mails should also reside on the servers of the sender's domain but also on the servers of the receiver's domain. the e-mails could also exist on the phone, tablet, laptop or w/e other devices Lerner was using. [eta ...and w/e devices the parties on the other end were using]

I think it should be noted that we have heard a journalist's take on things.
How often do journalists get tech stuff wrong?

It'd be more helpful to hear from the tech guys involved rather than a third hand report.
 
Speak for yourself. Their credibility is so bad with me that I consider everything they say as a lie. It is absolutely disreputable.

I always speak for myself, this is a given...
 
Too late, I already mentioned them


I think it should be noted that we have heard a journalist's take on things.
How often do journalists get tech stuff wrong?

It'd be more helpful to hear from the tech guys involved rather than a third hand report.

Then why were you questioning if the data could be recovered or found elsewhere?
 
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