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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    So now your argument is that she was attempting to? You're basically running around in circles here.

    Lerner contacting the DOJ isn't incriminating her in any way.
    Come on Kobie...This is a pattern with this witch of a woman....Please read....

    "The 1996 FEC Complaint against Salvi

    During the last several weeks of the 1996 Illinois U.S. Senate campaign, two FEC complaints were filed against Salvi - one by Illinois Democrats about the way he reported a loan he made to himself, and another by the Democratic Senatorial Committee about a reported business donation.

    Salvi made a personal loan to his campaign for $1.1 million to fund the last campaign ads in the expensive Chicago television ad market. News of that loan and the filed FEC complaint dominated Chicago media headlines towards the end of the campaign, suffocating the life out of Salvi's threatening momentum.

    "We couldn't get our message out because day after day, the media carried story after story about the FEC complaint," Salvi told Illinois Review in an exclusive interview.


    After Salvi lost to Durbin, he was left to face the FEC complaints. The Commission alleged that the Salvi committee:

    *Reported bank loans to Mr. Salvi as personal loans from the candidate, never identifying the source of the funds;
    Failed to report debts to the candidate;

    *Failed to file 48-hour notices for personal advances from the candidate; and

    *Failed to disclose campaign-related payments by the candidate to vendors and a bank.

    A federal district court dismissed the case against Salvi in 1999, and the FEC appealed it to the 7th U.S. District Court of Appeals.

    The FBI was called in at one point to gather evidence on the case. According to Salvi, two FBI agents unexpectedly visited the Salvis' home, and interrogated his elderly mother about her $2,000 check to her son's campaign and where she got "that kind of money."

    Salvi says he saw the visits as nothing but intimidation, making it clear the FEC intended to use his case as a example to others.

    At the same time, Salvi said, other conservative groups such as the Christian Coalition were besieged by the FEC demands. One time, representatives from several investigated conservative groups even convened on a conference call to compare notes on how the Clinton Administration was scouring their organizations' financial and activity records.

    In fact, Salvi's case (and name) was highlighted as an example several times in the FEC's monthly publication until the case was finally dismissed in 2000.

    It was while dealing with the FEC complaint that Salvi says he first met Lois Lerner, then the head of the FEC Enforcement Division.

    During one conversation with Lerner, she offered a deal Salvi says he'll never forget, and neither will his brother and attorney, Mike Salvi.

    "She said, 'If you promise to never run for office again, we'll drop this case,'" Salvi recalled.



    At the time, Salvi said, he figured it was probably just Dick Durbin's way of getting him out of politics.

    Salvi said he refused Lerner's offer because he knew he had done nothing wrong and wanted to leave the door open for future campaigns. In 1998, Salvi ran for Illinois Secretary of State while the 1996 FEC case against him continued.

    Nearly four years and a hundred thousand dollars in legal fees later, federal judge George Lindbergh dismissed the FEC case against him, leaving the FEC attorney Lois Lerner -- who was present and actively arguing before the judge -- shocked.

    "The judge said to Lerner, 'Let me get this straight - Mr. Salvi loaning himself money is legal, and you have no complaint against that, is that right?'" Salvi said. "Ms. Lerner agreed. Then the judge said, 'You just don't like the way his attorneys filled out the report?' Lerner agreed."

    Case dismissed, the judge said shaking his head and pounding his gavel, as Lerner objected.


    "We never lose!" Lerner said to Salvi afterwards.

    Despite all the Democrats' efforts, Salvi never paid the FEC a dollar in fines or penalties."

    Lerner intrigue goes back to '96 Durbin/Salvi U.S. Senate race - Illinois Review

    This pattern even smelled of corruption from "Little" Dick Durbin at the time....There is a pattern here....
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Good morning to you, Polgara. I'm not so sure this story is being used as a diversion. What I do think is there are some senior senators and folks at the WH that have been using stalling practices to buy some time to keep the truth from coming out exposing their involvement. Sen. Levin has already been linked to the scandal and last year he announced he was retiring and would not seek re-election at the end of his term.
    While the IRS scandal is important, it only involves a limited number of organizations. I feel the invasion of overwhelming numbers of sick and/or diseased illegals is going to be a far more critical problem - one that could affect all of us - not only health-wise but monetarily. The children that are arriving claim that they are trying to find their parents - WTH kind of people would abandon their children in the first place...some of them are very young? I wouldn't want them living around me!

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    While the IRS scandal is important, it only involves a limited number of organizations. I feel the invasion of overwhelming numbers of sick and/or diseased illegals is going to be a far more critical problem - one that could affect all of us - not only health-wise but monetarily. The children that are arriving claim that they are trying to find their parents - WTH kind of people would abandon their children in the first place...some of them are very young? I wouldn't want them living around me!
    One involves criminal behavior and abuse of power the other is a full fledge crisis (man-made). Congress has been calling for Obama to send the National Guard to the borders for over a week and ........crickets. Something better happen real quick. Some of the pictures coming out showing these people waiting by railroad tracks to ride the box cars to our border is scary.


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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    One involves criminal behavior and abuse of power the other is a full fledge crisis (man-made). Congress has been calling for Obama to send the National Guard to the borders for over a week and ........crickets. Something better happen real quick. Some of the pictures coming out showing these people waiting by railroad tracks to ride the box cars to our border is scary.

    It sure is, Vesper - it sure is! Since we know we're getting the very poor from all of those countries, and being very poor means their diets are deficient in many ways, so they aren't healthy. What are we leaving ourselves open to in the near future, let alone long term? I read where the drought in California is already causing vegetable and fruit shortages, which always drives up. We're seeing it happen! And now we have thousands more that expect us to take care of them? How will we do that?

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    It sure is, Vesper - it sure is! Since we know we're getting the very poor from all of those countries, and being very poor means their diets are deficient in many ways, so they aren't healthy. What are we leaving ourselves open to in the near future, let alone long term? I read where the drought in California is already causing vegetable and fruit shortages, which always drives up. We're seeing it happen! And now we have thousands more that expect us to take care of them? How will we do that?
    Yeah the disease issue is a real concern. But hey it looks like Obama found a new way to use our military and its bases. Since he doesn't need soldiers to protect our borders or our interests overseas, many of the bases are being converted into temporary housing for the huge influx of illegals. Guess soldiers now have a new mission. They can take care of feeding and caring for the masses. Idiots.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Nothing like a fake story to rile up the base. According to the actual timeline of events, the server that hosted the emails Issa is requesting crashed early in 2011, 2 years before the scandal broke, and was immediately reported by Lerner. And attempts were immediately made to recover the data, which were only partly successful. But Issa already knows that. Cover up, my ass!

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nothing like a fake story to rile up the base. According to the actual timeline of events, the server that hosted the emails Issa is requesting crashed early in 2011, 2 years before the scandal broke, and was immediately reported by Lerner. And attempts were immediately made to recover the data, which were only partly successful. But Issa already knows that. Cover up, my ass!

    Timeline is here.
    The servers crashed 10 days after the initial inquiry was made. In other words, Lois Learner got asked about it and 10 days later her server mysteriously crashed.

    It actually SCREAMS cover-up. She gets asked by congress, she knows that there will be an investigation, she gets rid of evidence before the investigation really begins.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    The servers crashed 10 days after the initial inquiry was made. In other words, Lois Learner got asked about it and 10 days later her server mysteriously crashed.

    It actually SCREAMS cover-up. She gets asked by congress, she knows that there will be an investigation, she gets rid of evidence before the investigation really begins.
    Not true....

    June 13, 2011: Lois Lerner, the IRS official at the center of the investigation, reports her computer's hard drive has crashed, according to an email from another member of the Exempt Organizations Division, which Lerner led.

    May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Not true....

    June 13, 2011: Lois Lerner, the IRS official at the center of the investigation, reports her computer's hard drive has crashed, according to an email from another member of the Exempt Organizations Division, which Lerner led.

    May 3, 2012: Rep. Dave Camp, R-Mich., chairman of House Ways and Means Committee, sends letter to IRS commissioner requesting all applications seeking tax-exempt status in 2010 and 2011, including all files, correspondence and internal IRS records related to the applications.
    http://waysandmeans.house.gov/upload..._ltr_final.pdf

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by ARealConservative View Post
    My issue isn't that Conservative groups weren't unfairly targeted, because I believe they were. My issue is the accusation of a cover up, which the evidence does not support.
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