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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I am not sure what you're envisioning here.
    Ime, servers are backed up and the data on the servers is not removed or altered as a result of the back-up. All the expense reports for the past 7years (or w/e) remain where they were placed on the network drive as well as being backed up.

    Imho, the more important it is to hold on to the data, the more important it is to NOT store it locally.

    Ime, individual desktops are rarely backed up.
    The emails are archived, then deleted off the short term mass storage. They routinely broadcast to back up your emails as they are about to get deleted. So, the individual user moves what s/he wants to keep to a local drive. Once archived, the average user can't get the emails back from the archived data. So, while it is said they are deleted, the fact is that they have been archived and moved to storage you can't get too. This happens at least once a month.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Another facet to this is that the IRS, just a government agency with no right to withhold info from us, is trying to do just that. I saw the head of the IRS speaking at a House hearing, claiming it would take years to get the emails because of all the redacting that they have to do. He was basically ignoring the Congressman saying that the order is just for emails, not redacted emails. They are ordered to hand them over as is.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Wait, you mean there is more to this IRS thing than the "two rogue agents" in Cincinnati? I thought that our President declared this a "fake scandal"? And we all know how honest Obama is. Look how straight forward he was about Obamacare. We all know that Bush is responsible for "Fast and Furious", Obama even gave Bush protection under Executive Privilege. We all know that Obama told the truth when he said that a video was to blame for Benghazi.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    You Know What’s More Unbelievable Than Losing Lois Lerner’s Emails? Losing Emails of SIX MORE IRS Employees!

    Wait, it wasn't just Lois's emails that were lost? The email's from 6 other people involved in all of this were 'lost' as well?

    Come on mainstream media, you all are really showing yourselves for the shills you are and the journalists you are not.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    My IT department could have those e-mails for them by lunch.

    This is an embarrassing lie.
    Probably most 11 year old could. She would have been better blaming it on her dog eating it. At least we could have gotten a chuckle out of it.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    You Know What’s More Unbelievable Than Losing Lois Lerner’s Emails? Losing Emails of SIX MORE IRS Employees!

    Wait, it wasn't just Lois's emails that were lost? The email's from 6 other people involved in all of this were 'lost' as well?

    Come on mainstream media, you all are really showing yourselves for the shills you are and the journalists you are not.

    The outrage voiced through he MSM, our protectors, and sworn agents of social justice, is deafening on this scandal. Wait, I may have that wrong....

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    This WaPo article is not accurate. First, the writer says the email server is "Outlook", which doesn't bode well for their understanding of email servers...
    Yeah, Simon and I already laughed about that one. The only possible excuse I can give the writer is they were trying to use a familiar name for those not familiar with how e-mail works.

    Second, no, the IRS email is a domain under the Treasury Email server farm. IRS doesn't manage the email servers, Treasury does.

    Third, no, Treasury doesn't recycle tapes every 60 days. Like all Federal email systems, they are mandated to keep permanent backup archives.

    Fourth, NO email DR plan relies of the end user to keep their own email archive on their laptop. Lerner may have backed up here PST to her local drive but that is not in any way part of Treasury DR contingency planning.

    The IRS story just isn't true.
    You're not telling me anything I don't know SHOULD be true. But anyone who has worked in tech knows what SHOULD be done and what IS done is not always the same thing.

    Again, I'm not passing judgment for or against the IRS story. I'm simply saying it is possible, though like I noted before, is still bad even if it's true.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yeah, Simon and I already laughed about that one. The only possible excuse I can give the writer is they were trying to use a familiar name for those not familiar with how e-mail works.


    You're not telling me anything I don't know SHOULD be true. But anyone who has worked in tech knows what SHOULD be done and what IS done is not always the same thing.

    Again, I'm not passing judgment for or against the IRS story. I'm simply saying it is possible, though like I noted before, is still bad even if it's true.

    No, sorry it is NOT POSSIBLE, it is perhaps as close as we can come to saying that it is impossible that they lost these emails. Let me say it again. It is impossible that the IRS lost these emails. They are archived in real-time using an appliance similar to one that you would see in a Barracuda set up. Example: Email comes into the Exchange server, scanned for viruses, malware etc, then off it goes to the archiving appliance, then off to the local desktop. The only role of the appliance is to archive (With or without attachments) to a off site storage server for permanent storage. So in a sense, the appliance makes a duplicate copy of the email, and sends to storage. Backing up is done a little differently, BUT has NO bearing on the archiving process, only in how fast an email can be retrieved. Our company uses O365 so even my archived emails are easily accessible, albeit it slightly longer than if on my local machine.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Slyfox696 View Post
    Yeah, Simon and I already laughed about that one. The only possible excuse I can give the writer is they were trying to use a familiar name for those not familiar with how e-mail works.
    Well, in a section meant to better explain email to the average reader they made them more ignorant.

    You're not telling me anything I don't know SHOULD be true. But anyone who has worked in tech knows what SHOULD be done and what IS done is not always the same thing.

    Again, I'm not passing judgment for or against the IRS story. I'm simply saying it is possible, though like I noted before, is still bad even if it's true.
    I have colleagues with first hand experience. The whole story, if it ever gets out, is actually pretty funny and sad and maddening. But then that could be said of most stories regarding Federal IT snafus.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    No, sorry it is NOT POSSIBLE
    Of course it is.
    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I have colleagues with first hand experience. The whole story, if it ever gets out, is actually pretty funny and sad and maddening. But then that could be said of most stories regarding Federal IT snafus.
    I'm sure.

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