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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    1. In December 2009, it was announced that the e-mails were found.
    Yes. That to a lawsuit issued by Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington and the National Security Archive who sued over the issue in 2007, arguing the Bush administration violated federal laws that require presidential records to be preserved.

    Millions of Bush administration e-mails recovered - CNN.com


    2. They were actually recovered while Bush was still in office, but nobody ran the story.
    3. Their loss stemmed from a failure to install a properly working electronic record keeping system.
    4. That system apparently mislabeled the emails, which is why they were "lost".
    5. The Administration was aware of the problem in 2003, before they were ever requested by anyone and more than 2 years before it was made public.
    6. In October 2003, the Administration called technicians from Microsoft to help them find the electronic messages.
    Not that I have read:

    Court records have shown that the Bush administration knew about the e-mail problems as far back as 2005 and did nothing to fix them, Sloan said.
    "They never made an effort to restore them," she said.

    and:

    Top aides to President George W. Bush seemed unconcerned amid multiple warnings as early as 2002 that the White House risked losing millions of e-mails that federal law required them to preserve, according to an extensive report obtained by The Federal Eye and set for release on Monday.


    and:

    Problems first arose when an e-mail recordkeeping system established during Bill Clinton's presidency failed to archive messages sent by the Bush White House as it started converting e-mail accounts from Lotus Notes to the Microsoft Exchange Program, the report said.

    The White House Office of Administration and National Archives warned top Bush officials about the glitch and potential loss of e-mails, but were ordered to continue with the conversion, the report said.

    "It wasn't like it was a one-time event and they went out and fixed it," said CREW senior counsel Adam Rappaport.

    The Office of Administration later proposed a plan to fully restore the missing e-mails in 2005, but White House Counsel Harriet E. Miers rejected the plan, according to the report. Miers did not return requests for comment.



    Federal Eye - New report details loss of Bush-era e-mails

    Millions of Bush administration e-mails recovered - CNN.com



    Now that we're past this, how would you feel about Lois Lerner and her staff using the DNC email system for her official Government work? Y'all are crying wolf over "favouritism"... I bet that wouldn't sit pretty.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    True worshipers will take any path to defend and excuse 'their guy'… LOL.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Middleground View Post
    Now that we're past this, how would you feel about Lois Lerner and her staff using the DNC email system for her official Government work? Y'all are crying wolf over "favouritism"... I bet that wouldn't sit pretty.
    There was nothing to get past. You quoted opposition to the Bush Administration and want people to believe it's the unbiased truth etched in stone.

    What happened then and what the IRS is doing now are not the same. You are just doing what every progressive does, and trying to obfuscate the issue, rather than just addressing it head on.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    True worshipers will take any path to defend and excuse 'their guy'… LOL.
    Am I to understand you don't see an issue here?

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    According to the IRS, the computer crash in question occurred in 2011, prior to the the targeting scandal coming to light, and though Lerner attempted to have the hard drive in questions salvaged, IT staff were unable to recover the data because sectors of the drive had gone bad.

    Read more: IRS lost two years of Lois Lerner's email in Tea Party Probe, blames computer crash - UPI.com

    It's certainly possible for this to be true, but it points toward some mismanagement or negligence on the part of the IT crew.
    Generally accepted practices prevent just this sort of thing from happening.
    I wonder what there data retention policies are.
    Their data retention policies are mandated by law, thanks to Clinton. It is beyond the shadow of a doubt that the IRS is lying on this one. All executive departments are required, by law, to have redundant backups of all records including email. There is no way that all the backups crashed to the point of non-recovery.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    ...its email server (which runs Microsoft Outlook...

    There's the problem right there.
    They should be running Exchange. ; )

    reporters....


    Here's another bad idea
    If the mailbox got too big, email would need to be deleted or moved to a local folder on the user's computer.
    It should be moved to a network drive which is backed up regularly, NEVER hte local machine.
    Have you see what users do with their machines?
    It's deleted from the shared drive after being archived. The only need to move to local is if you wanted to hold on to it. The average user can not have their stuff recovered from the archived data.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Am I to understand you don't see an issue here?
    Of course there is an issue here. The government is odds on lying and destroyed the emails. But what we see is those that support this administration will twist and spin and divert, because 'their guy' NEVER does anything wrong, EVER.
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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Their data retention policies are mandated by law, thanks to Clinton. It is beyond the shadow of a doubt that the IRS is lying on this one. All executive departments are required, by law, to have redundant backups of all records including email. There is no way that all the backups crashed to the point of non-recovery.
    The could be serious morons and ****-ups.

    I still don't think the story sounds quite right. I think that there's more to be told.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    It's deleted from the shared drive after being archived.
    I am not sure what you're envisioning here.
    Ime, servers are backed up and the data on the servers is not removed or altered as a result of the back-up. All the expense reports for the past 7years (or w/e) remain where they were placed on the network drive as well as being backed up.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The only need to move to local is if you wanted to hold on to it.
    Imho, the more important it is to hold on to the data, the more important it is to NOT store it locally.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The average user can not have their stuff recovered from the archived data.
    Ime, individual desktops are rarely backed up.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: IRS: So… Our Computer Crashed And Erased All Of Lois Lerner’s Emails

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    The could be serious morons and ****-ups.

    I still don't think the story sounds quite right. I think that there's more to be told.
    They probably are morons, regardless, no federal agency is quite that inept.
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