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    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure

    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure - Home News - UK - The Independent


    Tesco has agreed to remove the 'anti-homeless spikes' from outside of one of its stores after activists threatened days of protests.

    A row of one-inch-high studs, which protesters claimed were designed to prevent people sleeping rough, were spotted outside a Tesco Metro on London's Regent Street just days after a similar strip of spikes were photographed outside a luxury block of flats in Southwark.

    The supermarket denied the spikes were an anti-homeless measure and said the studs on a ledge outside the convenience store in central London were installed to deter anti-social behaviour like smoking and drinking - which the firm said intimidated customers.

    The images of both sets of studs prompted a furious Twitter row earlier this week with activists claiming that the spikes were an attack on the most vulnerable people in society.

    Two thoughts

    1. Tesco screwed up, they should have put a planter or a nice display there to make it both visually attractive (thus increasing their store value) and achieving their goal.
    2. Good, until society can figure out how to better deal with the homeless issue, putting obstacles that may result in injury in the way is barbaric. I hope protests continue until spikes are gone from all locations.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure

    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure - Home News - UK - The Independent



    Two thoughts

    1. Tesco screwed up, they should have put a planter or a nice display there to make it both visually attractive (thus increasing their store value) and achieving their goal.
    2. Good, until society can figure out how to better deal with the homeless issue, putting obstacles that may result in injury in the way is barbaric. I hope protests continue until spikes are gone from all locations.
    They should have some of those spikes in my downtown area.Right now they arm rests in the middle of benches in order to discourage the homeless from sleeping on them.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    They should have some of those spikes in my downtown area.Right now they arm rests in the middle of benches in order to discourage the homeless from sleeping on them.
    The value of something like arm rests on a bench is that they have a function other than determent. Just as this tesco outfit could have put up some plants or even an advertisement which would have a legitimate function, yet still keep people from loitering in that area.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure

    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure - Home News - UK - The Independent



    Two thoughts

    1. Tesco screwed up, they should have put a planter or a nice display there to make it both visually attractive (thus increasing their store value) and achieving their goal.
    2. Good, until society can figure out how to better deal with the homeless issue, putting obstacles that may result in injury in the way is barbaric. I hope protests continue until spikes are gone from all locations.
    Good point. Disguising the barriers as Art and nobody would have noticed the intent (until the email surfaced).

    But do explain, what a store should do, if there is an unwashed drunk defending it from custom? Pay the guy to go away?

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    1. Tesco screwed up, they should have put a planter or a nice display there to make it both visually attractive (thus increasing their store value) and achieving their goal.
    I don't see how that counts as Tesco screwing up. They were just unlucky enough to get caught on the sharp end of this week's internet trend. They could have used a different (more expensive and more prone to vandalism and theft) method to stop people loitering by their windows but they didn't.

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    2. Good, until society can figure out how to better deal with the homeless issue, putting obstacles that may result in injury in the way is barbaric. I hope protests continue until spikes are gone from all locations.
    And then the protesters can all go to the warm comfortable homes, content that they've won homeless people the right to sleep on steps, window ledges and porches (though not their own of course). Wouldn't it be better if this effort in a sudden popularist protest was directed to actually achieving something to actually help get homeless people off the streets? There's no quick-fix gratification from that though.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Good point. Disguising the barriers as Art and nobody would have noticed the intent (until the email surfaced).

    But do explain, what a store should do, if there is an unwashed drunk defending it from custom? Pay the guy to go away?
    I fully agree that they are within their rights to discourage loitering by causing discomfort to the loiterers. However, I disagree with this method and the message being that it's ok to potentially cause harm to people with dangerous landscaping features. That thing is a serious tripping and injury hazard. Also it sends a message that a fellow human can be subject to lesser animal style herding techniques, which I have a problem with as well

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I fully agree that they are within their rights to discourage loitering by causing discomfort to the loiterers. However, I disagree with this method and the message being that it's ok to potentially cause harm to people with dangerous landscaping features. That thing is a serious tripping and injury hazard. Also it sends a message that a fellow human can be subject to lesser animal style herding techniques, which I have a problem with as well
    How is it a tripping hazard?

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    However, I disagree with this method and the message being that it's ok to potentially cause harm to people with dangerous landscaping features.
    That's not the message. Nobody is saying it's OK to cause anyone harm and frankly it'd be quite difficult to cause yourself serious harm on these things. Compared to the spiked fences, barbed wire and glass-topped walls people have been happy to have for so many years, they're pretty harmless.

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That thing is a serious tripping and injury hazard.
    The on the Tesco store (not pictured) certainly isn't - it is (was!) on a window frame about a meter off the ground. The one in the porch of the private apartment building (which is in mist the pictures), possibly though that's a slight stretch.

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Also it sends a message that a fellow human can be subject to lesser animal style herding techniques, which I have a problem with as well
    Like fences, gates and doors you mean? I'm practically sat in a cage right now.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I fully agree that they are within their rights to discourage loitering by causing discomfort to the loiterers. However, I disagree with this method and the message being that it's ok to potentially cause harm to people with dangerous landscaping features. That thing is a serious tripping and injury hazard. Also it sends a message that a fellow human can be subject to lesser animal style herding techniques, which I have a problem with as well
    I tend to agree with that. But what do you do, where you cannot be unobtrusive with the herding techniques?

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I tend to agree with that. But what do you do, where you cannot be unobtrusive with the herding techniques?
    It's a fine line. Of course determining what is and is not acceptable use for an area is just fine. However we must also respect the dignity of the least among us. This is why I prefer cosmetic changes. It may seem superficial but the world runs on the superficial

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