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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    There's a difference between inviting someone and creating hostile landscape. An equivelent question would be whether I set up bear traps
    The point here is that the store in question did not want to "invite" homeless people to sleep outside their door. The spikes were there to make sure they did not, I guess you could call it making that spot "hostile" to that demographic. Frankly I think the store screwed up, should have kept the spikes there as they were obviously doing their job. I suspect that here in the very near future we will see something placed in that spot that will achieve the same results as the spikes. Likewise I predict that a group of vocal hand wringing teeth gnashing howls of protest will follow that decision too.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    How is it a tripping hazard?
    Anything on the ground is a trip hazard. Just ask OSHA.

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    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    The point here is that the store in question did not want to "invite" homeless people to sleep outside their door. The spikes were there to make sure they did not, I guess you could call it making that spot "hostile" to that demographic. Frankly I think the store screwed up, should have kept the spikes there as they were obviously doing their job. I suspect that here in the very near future we will see something placed in that spot that will achieve the same results as the spikes. Likewise I predict that a group of vocal hand wringing teeth gnashing howls of protest will follow that decision too.
    That's pretty much how I feel except without the silly attitude about the protestors who are right to point this out.

    In the social realm, perception is reality and this is why something like a cactus would be better, due to it's connotation and underlying message that these people deserve animal level devices. Which in turn promotes better overall humane behaviors society wide

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    A cactus has a function other than determent. So no
    Not really. Cactus are butt ugly.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Not really. Cactus are butt ugly.
    Eye of the beholder

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    It's just a plant. Who the hell cares if it is ugly? If it serves a purpose then use it.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    That's pretty much how I feel except without the silly attitude about the protestors who are right to point this out.

    In the social realm, perception is reality and this is why something like a cactus would be better, due to it's connotation and underlying message that these people deserve animal level devices. Which in turn promotes better overall humane behaviors society wide
    Well the protestors are not making the argument you are. Their agenda is somewhat more radical, from what I have read. I personally think it is silly that the store let some protestors change their policy as spikes like this were placed outside other stores in the chain too. Now because of this one doorway, the chain will get to foot the bill to have them removed at all their locations and some other less sensible but more "sensitive" solution to achieve the same results will be necessary. I see these things all over the place and yes they are usually by doors to businesses, I assume to deter loitering by their doors. We have these kinds of spikes here at my workplace. They are placed in spots on our loading dock and towards the edges of the loading bays. To accomplish a number of things, but I suppose we might have to remove them if any activist for the homeless figures out we are trying to make our loading dock a "hostile environment" to homeless people sleeping out there.

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    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Met...

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Well the protestors are not making the argument you are. Their agenda is somewhat more radical, from what I have read. I personally think it is silly that the store let some protestors change their policy as spikes like this were placed outside other stores in the chain too. Now because of this one doorway, the chain will get to foot the bill to have them removed at all their locations and some other less sensible but more "sensitive" solution to achieve the same results will be necessary. I see these things all over the place and yes they are usually by doors to businesses, I assume to deter loitering by their doors. We have these kinds of spikes here at my workplace. They are placed in spots on our loading dock and towards the edges of the loading bays. To accomplish a number of things, but I suppose we might have to remove them if any activist for the homeless figures out we are trying to make our loading dock a "hostile environment" to homeless people sleeping out there.
    The best thing we can do for the homeless is to open up the asylums again and get them help

    The spikes should be illegal IMHO. There are more humane solutions that yield the same results. If there a legitimate industrial application then permits can be applied for

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure

    Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro store after activists threaten days of protests over measure - Home News - UK - The Independent



    Two thoughts

    1. Tesco screwed up, they should have put a planter or a nice display there to make it both visually attractive (thus increasing their store value) and achieving their goal.
    2. Good, until society can figure out how to better deal with the homeless issue, putting obstacles that may result in injury in the way is barbaric. I hope protests continue until spikes are gone from all locations.
    Good.

    To #1 and #2 (considering your presented alternatives in a later post) - exactly.
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    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by HonestJoe View Post
    I don't see how that counts as Tesco screwing up. They were just unlucky enough to get caught on the sharp end of this week's internet trend. They could have used a different (more expensive and more prone to vandalism and theft) method to stop people loitering by their windows but they didn't.

    And then the protesters can all go to the warm comfortable homes, content that they've won homeless people the right to sleep on steps, window ledges and porches (though not their own of course).
    Wouldn't it be better if this effort in a sudden popularist protest was directed to actually achieving something to actually help get homeless people off the streets? There's no quick-fix gratification from that though.



    This immediately made me think of the thread with a poll about African-American problems which is active on this forum right now.

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