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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Unless you have reports of someone being harmed by the spikes I fail to see the problem. I also frankly fail to see how your concerns outweigh rights at all. Btw, no one was treated in any sort of way. Tesco didn't act towards the homeless.
    I stated my concern and how it can harm the homeless.

    In the other things, you are an extreme hard liner so I expect you to disagree and won't try to convince you otherwise. To do so would only waste my valuable (to me) time.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I stated my concern and how it can harm the homeless.
    Did it though? If I was to consider your concerns of any importance here they have to actually materialize into more than just OMFG spikes, sorry.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Did it though? If I was to consider your concerns of any importance here they have to actually materialize into more than just OMFG spikes, sorry.
    If we are already at the point of spikes, yes I would say my concerns have materialized already. I don't want things to get worse.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Yesterday, I was having dinner with some friends when this matter came up and they were blown away by my opinion on it. To be honest, I see this as a perfectly reasonable reaction to a government that has been funded for DECADES to ensure that homelessness is a thing of the past. The government has failed in this instance and it is now up to business owners to protect their investment. I agree that what was actually installed seems crude and unwelcoming, however, the message got across better with the spikes. All of the people complaining about the morality of it probably don't have to deal with homeless people sleeping in their front doors. If they did? They'd ask for the homeless to be forcibly removed from the premises if they won't move on their own. I think government should be taken to task on this matter and something must be done to either improve the chances to end homelessness or make it so business owners do not have to take these measures. In short, the spikes have caused healthy debate about the state, it's role in ensuring homelessness is reduced and the measures business owners should take to remove bad publicity.
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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I stated my concern and how it can harm the homeless.

    In the other things, you are an extreme hard liner so I expect you to disagree and won't try to convince you otherwise. To do so would only waste my valuable (to me) time.
    Can't you say the fence around any house harms the homeless as it does not let them enter private property to sleep or do whatever?

    Why, in your opinion, do the homeless have special rights where others don't?

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Can't you say the fence around any house harms the homeless as it does not let them enter private property to sleep or do whatever?

    Why, in your opinion, do the homeless have special rights where others don't?
    I see the fence as a different category of device as it doesn't send the same sort of message to society.

    They don't have special rights. Devices like this should not be used on anyone.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I see the fence as a different category of device as it doesn't send the same sort of message to society.

    They don't have special rights. Devices like this should not be used on anyone.
    So you are concerned with the message instead of the outcome.

    Are you concerned the homeless people will have their feelings hurt?

    I don't see where you are coming from on this.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by tacomancer View Post
    I see the fence as a different category of device as it doesn't send the same sort of message to society.

    They don't have special rights. Devices like this should not be used on anyone.
    These devices are not being used on anyone. There is no positive action by the store to hurt anybody with these spikes.

    Again, a fence with maybe barbed wire or spikes is the same as this. Why the distinction?

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    These devices are not being used on anyone. There is no positive action by the store to hurt anybody with these spikes.

    Again, a fence with maybe barbed wire or spikes is the same as this. Why the distinction?
    Actually, you make a good point. I need to think on it some.

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    Re: Tesco removes one-inch 'anti-homeless' spikes from outside central London Metro s

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    So you are concerned with the message instead of the outcome.

    Are you concerned the homeless people will have their feelings hurt?

    I don't see where you are coming from on this.
    Not feelings hurt so much as more and more people feeling it is justifiable to treat the homeless without the compassion they often need to get the help they tend to need. I am against people being dehumanized.

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