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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Of course that is what you believe because that is what you want to believe. I had three family members there and didn't sleep well at night but all came back with the same story, we did the right thing although nothing is going to change your mind or anyone else who is so short term thinkers that they cannot see the forest for the trees. they will soon. Liberals live in a utopian bubble and judge everyone else in the world by their own standards. they simply cannot accept the fact that you cannot talk people out of their ideology and hatred for this country. It is like a cancer and has to be cut out or it will spread.
I knew this conversation would decline into another dimension.

Have a nice day, I'm finished with the liburul utopian **** with you right here. adios.
 
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Too much CON to reprint. 'Others' don't want to destroy our way of life, if that was the case hundreds of truck bombs, like Mcviegh's in OKC, would be happening IN THIS COUNTRY. No they want us OUT. Out of their country, out of their politics and out of their culture. We prop up petty tyrants and call then 'allies'.

Force???? Seriously???? we can't afford 'force'... BushII didn't want to use 'force'... he wanted to use shock and awe. He wanted to bluff like war is poker. He refused to put the proper amount of FORCE in Iraq or Afghanistan. He refused to put us on a wartime footing- go shopping and be a 'patriot'. Afghanistan is the same BushII bumble. Years of low manning and now a late attempt to stabilize...

Funny thing I agree on what happens when you ignore the resume and fall for the rhetoric, we did that in 2000....


Really? interesting how the economic results don't show that nor the foreign policy successes. Iraq was stable when Bush left office, it is a mess now. The economy went into free fall when Democrats took over the Congress but prior to that the GDP Growth, job creation, govt. revenue was better than anything we have now. Too bad liberals ignore bls.gov, bea.gov, Treasury data and of course basic civics and history

Bush was a governor, Obama a Community agitator. Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH than doing what was right for the American people and knew that people like you would blame Bush for the results generated with a Democrat controlled Congress.
 
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October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009 The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths)

Iraq war logs: secret files show how US ignored torture | World news | The Guardian


Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009.

Ignored? Nope. We recorded, and filed, and sent up. I did that a few times myself - take all the pictures, write the reports, put it into a package, send it up to the Iraqi chain of command, only to watch it disappear and die of neglect. The Iraqi's were sovereign. If they wanted to take a prisoner, well, it was their freaking country.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

October 2010, record Iraqi and Coalition military deaths between January 2004 and December 2009 The documents record 109,032 deaths broken down into "Civilian" (66,081 deaths), "Host Nation" (15,196 deaths),"Enemy" (23,984 deaths), and "Friendly" (3,771 deaths)

Iraq war logs: secret files show how US ignored torture | World news | The Guardian


Associated Press stated that more than 110,600 Iraqis had been killed since the start of the war to April 2009.

War is hell but unfortunately necessary to cut the cancer out that is invading us all. You live for today and ignore reality all the time.
 
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That has been debunked in another thread as has been your credibility.

Nonsense, BLS numbers. Try again...

CONservatives are NEVER honest

Total private

Jan 2001 111,859,000
Jan 2009 111,397,000

BUSH LOST 673,000 PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS

OBAMA HAS 5+ MILLION

MAY 2014 116,594,000


http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES0500000001
 
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please, cut the crap.

Right, cut the crap and stick to the OP. I am sticking to the OP and this isn't the OP to discuss Bush economic results
 
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They're splintered off from alQaeda, but aren't part of the organization. It's right in your quote. "Led to the group's formal split from al-Qaeda "

I notice you didn't answer the direct question. How many more American lives do we sacrifice for a place that is unwilling or unable to overcome sectarianism?

True they are no longer part of the Al Qaeda organization, but todays Al Qaeda isn't the same Al Qaeda of 2001. That Al Qaeda hasn't existed since 2007.

Look at all of the splinter groups of CPUSA. "Workers World Party" and the WWP splinter group "Party of Socialism and Liberation," and a splinter of the PSL, the A*N*S*E*W*E*R* Coalition.

Other CPUSA splinter groups were the "Goucho Marxist" of the 60's and 70's aka "New Left" like the "Students for a Democratic Society" (SDS) and it's splinter group of terrorist, "Weatherman" aka "Weather Underground". The "New Left" would abandon it's CPUSA strategy of overthrowing the U.S. government on the streets of America during the early 70's and adopt a new strategy from doing it from with in. They came under the Democrat tent and first hid behind the liberal label and when they dirtied that label they hide behind the progressive label.

There all a bunch of Marxist.

Answering you're question:

Ask an Iraqi war vet.

I wouldn't want to see American ground combat troops going back to Iraq. I also know it couldn't be done today considering that only 3 Army Combat Brigades out of 33 are (C-1) or (C-2.)

Note: I find it interesting that it seems not to be a policy any longer to keep a units combat readiness classified for twelve years. I suppose when our military finds itself in bad shape and a hollow force it has to be made public.
 
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War is hell but unfortunately necessary to cut the cancer out that is invading us all. You live for today and ignore reality all the time.

Sure, because going to Iraq on false premises was needed AND you said they were 'happy' to have US, I don't think that's the universal position. Not much flowers or candy...
 
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You neocons never learn. There will be no stable Iraq as long as we continue to meddle there. It is up to the Iraqi's to resolve their own conflicts.

Yeah, 'cause looking at Iraq right now the word "stability" is totally what comes to mind. :roll:
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Nonsense, BLS numbers. Try again...

CONservatives are NEVER honest

Total private

Jan 2001 111,859,000
Jan 2009 111,397,000

BUSH LOST 673,000 PRIVATE SECTOR JOBS

OBAMA HAS 5+ MILLION

MAY 2014 116,594,000


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


You have been reported, this is off topic and has nothing to do with the Thread topic. I don't normally report people but when I do I will always acknowledge it. I am doing that now
 
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Right, cut the crap and stick to the OP. I am sticking to the OP and this isn't the OP to discuss Bush economic results

YOU stated Obama didn't have ONE result better than Bush, I gave you the jobs. Obama gave US Bin Laden, after Bush didn't 'think of him much'....
 
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You have been reported, this is off topic and has nothing to do with the Thread topic. I don't normally report people but when I do I will always acknowledge it. I am doing that now

YOU brought up Obama policies failed and not ONE policy has worked better than Dubya? lol Weird, YOU make a claim within the topic and it can't be countered?
 
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Screw Egypt.

Screw Libya.

Screw the gassed Syrians.

Screw Crimea.

Screw Ukraine.

Screw Iraq.

Did I leave anyone out?

Obama seems strangely okay with all this.

Israell and Germany
 
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Three years ago when we "Cut and Run" the Iraqi government was as stable as it could be. If we would left a presence there (10 thousand men) the country would not be in the bad shape it is.

You neocons are never happy unless we are engaged in endless war. Sorry NP....but the lives of our men and women in uniform are not simply pawns to be sacrificed in order to fuel the war corporations.
 
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I see everything as a problem when you have an incompetent in the WH and that is our problem here. Yes, it is Obama's fault because of Obama's arrogance. What you and most people here don't seem to comprehend is leadership and that with leadership comes responsibility. Results judge leadership and the Obama results generate what you call ODS. I actually like the guy personally but his lack of leadership skills, executive experience, and actual results support my so called ODS. There isn't one economic number or foreign policy result of Obama's better than Bush's and the hatred here for Bush is incredible. I am result oriented as are most successful people, those who aren't rely on liberal rhetoric and support

Really? Iran's rise as a power is Obama's fault? Did he sell them weapons when he was in college?

So come down off your "All I can talk about is Obama" trip, and answer the question. How many more American lives should be sacrificed for a shiite-led, Iranian backed government, in a country where they can't or won't put aside sectarian differences?
 
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Answering you're question:

Ask an Iraqi war vet.

I wouldn't want to see American ground combat troops going back to Iraq. I also know it couldn't be done today considering that only 3 Army Combat Brigades out of 33 are (C-1) or (C-2.)

Note: I find it interesting that it seems not to be a policy any longer to keep a units combat readiness classified for twelve years. I suppose when our military finds itself in bad shape and a hollow force it has to be made public.


So since you don't want to see that, why are you so upset that they aren't there?
 
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Latest report is that ISIS is moving towards Baghdad. Now would be a good time to attack their main body with FAE weapons.
 
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And you don't think the 3-something trillion we already spent was an attempt to do just that?

And you think it is possible to take a seventh century fundamentalist Islamic republic, which is *nominally* controlled by Iran and just drop in a few strip malls and suddenly everyone will be running around flashing peace signs and making duck face selfies and saying "America yes Number One, blue jeans, hamburger Big Mac Justin Bieber okay!" ???

My question for you, and anyone who believes this is possible:
On what planet do you spend the majority of your free time? View attachment 67168148

How about if we just drop some bombs on the place. We could easily blow it to little itty bitty pieces. :mrgreen:
 
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How about if we just drop some bombs on the place. We could easily blow it to little itty bitty pieces. :mrgreen:
Because its much better to let terrorists behead civilians than have American bombs hurt them.
 
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No. Only the decider decided. You guys have run from that for years, unwilling to take personal responsibility.

I've run from nothing, you people are the ones running. The resolution included the support of big Democrats, and the truth hurts your Hate-Bush meme.
 
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Because its much better to let terrorists behead civilians than have American bombs hurt them.

Yes, we have to handle the terrorists with kid gloves. I know! Let's give them more weapons and money. That'll help! Then they'll be our friends! :2razz:
 
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Yes, we have to handle the terrorists with kid gloves. I know! Let's give them more weapons and money. That'll help! Then they'll be our friends! :2razz:

Tony Blair writes:

Tony Blair said:
He wrote: "Because some of the commentary has gone immediately to claim that but for that decision, Iraq would not be facing this challenge; or even more extraordinary, implying that but for the decision, the Middle East would be at peace right now; it is necessary that certain points are made forcefully before putting forward a solution to what is happening now.

"Is it seriously being said that the revolution sweeping the Arab world would have hit Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, to say nothing of the smaller upheavals all over the region, but miraculously Iraq, under the most brutal and tyrannical of all the regimes, would have been an oasis of calm?

"Easily the most likely scenario is that Iraq would have been engulfed by precisely the same convulsion … The risk would have been of a full blown sectarian war across the region, with states not fighting by proxy, but with national armies."

Mr Blair, who said he was not calling for allied troops to return to Iraq but all measures short of that, including air strikes, said the major cause of the current conflict was the civil war in Syria, together with the "sectarianism of the Maliki Government" which had "led to the alienation of the Sunni community".

Tony Blair: Syria conflict is to blame for current Iraq crisis - UK Politics - UK - The Independent

So, I think Blair is right...Instead of addressing the situation we are looking to place blame on the devolution of Iraq. And to make it worse Mr. Obama has essentially told hundreds, if not thousands of American's still in Iraq at our embassy there, to sit tight while he goes to Palm Springs to play golf, and fund raise, and decide what he will do...Sound familiar? That's because it is....Very similar to how he tangentially handled Benghazi....Our people under attack? Well, just go to sleep, and head out to a fund raiser....

This criminal is getting people killed, and couldn't care less.
 
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Tony Blair writes:



So, I think Blair is right...Instead of addressing the situation we are looking to place blame on the devolution of Iraq. And to make it worse Mr. Obama has essentially told hundreds, if not thousands of American's still in Iraq at our embassy there, to sit tight while he goes to Palm Springs to play golf, and fund raise, and decide what he will do...Sound familiar? That's because it is....Very similar to how he tangentially handled Benghazi....Our people under attack? Well, just go to sleep, and head out to a fund raiser....

This criminal is getting people killed, and couldn't care less.

How he handled Benghazi was an absolute disaster. Like I said before, he is too inexperienced to handle the job and has no IDEA how to handle the people in the Arab world. He seems to think that those people in the ME are just like Americans. Well, they are not. After centuries and centuries of all the violence, feuding and fighting amongst yourselves, it becomes a part of who you are. It's all they know, and I don't know if it will ever change because the people in the ME are so resistant against education and becoming productive world citizens. Religious fanaticism in all it's glory. :roll:
 
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