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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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We haven't had a declaration of war since WW2....Get your president off his lazy ass to initiate it.

Who are we going to declare war against, and why would we want to do that?

Did the ISIS attack us?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

:shrug: if you want to believe so. But insurgencies die.

After exactly how many hundreds of years?

Heck, people in my neck of the woods still chant "the south will rise again" and still fly confederate flags.
 
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors…and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

We aren't an empire "now" we have been an empire for some time. And a pretty good one, as they go, certainly a different kind. And yeah, we do create new realities.
 
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After exactly how many hundreds of years?

less than one. Most insurgencies last about 10-15 years.

Heck, people in my neck of the woods still chant "the south will rise again" and still fly confederate flags.

Yeah? How many of them attack police stations, local army depots, etc?
 
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TOPSI? :lol:


Did you just make that up?

No, that's a real agency. ;)
 
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less than one. Most insurgencies last about 10-15 years.

You should have informed Bush and Malakie of that, they are the ones who decided that we should pull out after just nine years.

Regardless, obviously what we had been doing in Iraq wasn't working if 800 insurgents chased off 30,000 Iraqy soldiers. You can dress a man in a military uniform, but you can't make him fight.
 
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You should have informed Bush and Malakie of that, they are the ones who decided that we should pull out after just nine years.

I think you have "Bush" confused with "Obama", who was the President who decided that we would pull out without leaving behind the necessary forces.

Regardless, obviously what we had been doing in Iraq wasn't working if 800 insurgents chased off 30,000 Iraqy soldiers. You can dress a man in a military uniform, but you can't make him fight.

You think it was 800 dudes? That's interesting.
 
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Three years ago when we "Cut and Run" the Iraqi government was as stable as it could be. If we would left a presence there (10 thousand men) the country would not be in the bad shape it is.

And who is going to pay for that? And when are we going to attack Russia? They produce 3 times more oil than Iraq does.
 
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Part of the problem with the war on terror: You guys don't even know who you're fighting. ISIS is not al Qaeda.

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What is this, no "You're making **** up" ? :lamo



Iraq crisis: is ISIS part of al-Qaeda?

How Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi challenged Ayman al-Zawahiri and, under his leadership, ISIS became a separate al-Qaeda faction


>" The sudden rise of ISIS – the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham – is the result of a crisis in the worldwide jihadist movement that has set the two most powerful heirs to the mantle of Osama bin Laden at loggerheads and led to the group's formal split from al-Qaeda..."<

Continue -> Iraq crisis: is ISIS part of al-Qaeda? - Telegraph

Al Qaeda Splinter Group ISIS Marches Towards Iraq's Biggest Oil Refinery

The Economist explains: What ISIS, an al-Qaeda affiliate in Syria, really wants | The Economist
 
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After exactly how many hundreds of years?

Heck, people in my neck of the woods still chant "the south will rise again" and still fly confederate flags.

That was going to be my very first one.

Redneck math problem

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From the article:

"Composed of fundamentalist..."(SNIP)

That's all I needed to hear...doesn't matter if they're Al-Qaeda, not Al-Qaeda, wannabe Al-Qaeda, Sunni, Shia or Mormon or...?
Fundamentalism is a mental illness no matter where, when or what group you're including.
There is no talking to fundamentalists, in any matters, be it economics, religion, politics, anything.
The fundamentalist mind does not work like the typical human mind, it works like the mind of a drug addict.

By the way, always amusing (and enlightening) to know that we're reading something "Sponsored by GE".
Yeah, they don't have any dogs in the fight. wink-smiley.jpg
 
The main obstacle for ISIS is that its ideology is not shared by the majority of Muslims in Syria and beyond.

Since when has that mattered? (LOL)
Over here, 70, even 80 or 90 percent of the American people can be against something, but it happens anyway.
I can only begin to imagine what it's like in that region. ;)
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

I think you have "Bush" confused with "Obama", who was the President who decided that we would pull out without leaving behind the necessary forces.



You think it was 800 dudes? That's interesting.

What a bunch of hoey. The Iraqi Govt. gave us the bums rush, Malaki has Iran to protect him now. Obama did not leave one minute sooner than the agreement made under the Bush Administration. But I'm curious, do you think we should coordinate air support with the Revolutionary Guard that are now fighting against ISIS in Iraq? Maybe we can give them some pointers about tactics too while we are riskng American lives to support their mission?
 
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What a bunch of hoey. The Iraqi Govt. gave us the bums rush, Malaki has Iran to protect him now. Obama did not leave one minute sooner than the agreement made under the Bush Administration. But I'm curious, do you think we should coordinate air support with the Revolutionary Guard that are now fighting against ISIS in Iraq? Maybe we can give them some pointers about tactics too while we are riskng American lives to support their mission.

Obama's own advisers told him it was too soon to leave, but he ignored them.
 
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I think you have "Bush" confused with "Obama", who was the President who decided that we would pull out without leaving behind the necessary forces.

Thats based upon the 2008 withdrawal agreement. I believe that Bush was still president back then.


You think it was 800 dudes? That's interesting.

Thats what I read on the Fox News article.
 
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Obama's own advisers told him it was too soon to leave, but he ignored them.

Malaki kicked us out. He said our soldiers would be tried in Iraqi courts if we stayed. Is that what you wanted?
 
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What a bunch of hoey.

On the contrary - Obama was in charge of that particular cluster, just as he gets to deal with this particular cluster. Welcome to what the world looks like when America decides that all this foreign policy stuff is, like, annoying, and stuff, and like, we're going to, like, lead from behind, and stuff.
 
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Malaki kicked us out. He said our soldiers would be tried in Iraqi courts if we stayed. Is that what you wanted?

And we should listen to HIM why?
 
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On the contrary - Obama was in charge of that particular cluster, just as he gets to deal with this particular cluster. Welcome to what the world looks like when America decides that all this foreign policy stuff is, like, annoying, and stuff, and like, we're going to, like, lead from behind, and stuff.

Maybe where you are from but here in the real world......

For months, U.S. and Iraqi officials had been negotiating the terms of an accord that would have kept several thousand U.S. troops in Iraq for special operations and training beyond the year-end deadline set by the George W. Bush administration.

But Obama and Maliki, who have never developed much personal chemistry, failed to reach agreement on the legal status of U.S. troops who would stay in Iraq beyond Dec. 31. As a result, only a contingent of fewer than 200 Marines assigned to help protect the large U.S. Embassy compound in Baghdad will remain, along with a small number of other personnel to provide training related to new military sales and other tasks.
All U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 - The Washington Post
 
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Malaki kicked us out. He said our soldiers would be tried in Iraqi courts if we stayed. Is that what you wanted?

The Obama Administration put approximately zero effort into those negotiations. Failure to negotiate a simple SOFA isn't exactly an argument in his defense. Maliki didn't kick us out, we left.
 
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Maybe where you are from but here in the real world......
All U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 - The Washington Post

That's fascinating. I had no idea that in the real world George Bush was still President of the United States in 2011.


Seriously, the "blame Bush for Obama's Decisions" is the dumbest Blame Bush I've seen to date seriously argued. The best you could be able to do would be to blame the portion of his administration that failed that negotiation.

Now gee, who was in charge of state-to-state negotiations for the U.S. at that time....
 
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Because he is leader of Iraq. We are his servants.

:lamo Yeah, okay.
 
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