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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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American said:
Here, let me help you with that.

No doubt you'll believe the central point about the Democrats and their leadership (and how they promoted the invasion), because the rest of the article takes a dump all over Bush.

Democrats Share the Blame for Tragedy of Iraq War
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No. Only the decider decided. You guys have run from that for years, unwilling to take personal responsibility.
 
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rocket88 said:
My Lord, you're worse than an Obama-bot when it comes to Republicans. If you call what happened in Iraq "doing well," you are utterly disconnected from reality.
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Yup. I've pointed out before how Apdst and Grant are totally white washing Iraq. They're at the point of claiming that Iraq prior to Obama was "fixed."

It is amazing just how little those who care about the military.
 
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Ockham said:
And really, that was their problem and by "their" the Iraqi people's problem. When a country has enough of a sadistic immoral bastard, it's the people's responsibility to rise up and depose them and restructure the country as they deem fit. I do not see a reason why the US needs to involve ourselves in every country's business because we do not like what is going on there, or base it on our own morality. Over the years I have modified my views to become must less intrusive and much more focused to our own domestic issues. I'm not saying "become isolationists" but I am saying it's not our job to police the world.
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Just curious Ockham, I know full well you know that certain posters in this thread are completely full of crap and are outright lying about the situation in Iraq for basically the entire time we were there. Why don't you say something about their flagrant dishonesty?

This chart alone:

BBC News - Iraq's annual death toll highest in five years - UN

Suggests that Iraq under Obama's administration was far safer than time under Bush's.
 
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obvious Child said:
Just curious Ockham, I know full well you know that certain posters in this thread are completely full of crap and are outright lying about the situation in Iraq for basically the entire time we were there. Why don't you say something about their flagrant dishonesty?

This chart alone:

BBC News - Iraq's annual death toll highest in five years - UN

Suggests that Iraq under Obama's administration was far safer than time under Bush's.
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First I haven't read the entire thread nor all the responses. Second, I'm really not interested in re-litigating 2001-2008 again. Third, my personal view has shifted on Iraq from being fully for occupation and invasion at the time, to now seeing the people, their culture and their moronic religious fanaticism as not being worth it and to let them kill each other, with the view that the world will be a better place without many if not all of the ISIS and most of the morons who run or are part of the Iraq government.

There are still valid reasons why some members view the invasion and occupation as a course of action and three years ago I may have agreed with them, now I do not. I firmly belive there are two courses of action the US can take - one is to be the policeman and the other is to not do it. The latter increases the percentage of another world war in my opinion and perhaps that is what we need as humans. To be reminded of our inadequacies and stupidity a few times every hundred years by killing off massive numbers of soldiers and innocents. Stupid is as stupid does.
 
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Jack Hays said:
FDR was a great POTUS, but WW2 ended the Depression. RWR was the second greatest POTUS of the 20th century, after FDR.:peace
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I'll admit, you surprise me, a bit :)

We were coming out of the GOP great depression until FDR listened to the deficit scolds and cut spending by 10% in 1937...
 
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The biggest mistake Obama made in his 6 years in office is "Cutting and Running" in Iraq and pulling all our troops from there like a sniveling coward. I try to find one good thing this man has done in his 6 years of office and there are none..........Now almost every country in the mid east Is under attack and Obama is not doing a damn thing about it except going to Palm Springs for a fund raising event.

Isn't it ironic that our main enemy in the ME is Iran helping Iraq.
 
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Fenton said:
Obama didn't want to stay because he needed a political narrative. A " Success "... His decision to bale on Iraq was specifically based on how it would affect him politically. How long have we had bases in Japan, Germany, and Korea ?? He's absolutely to blame for this.
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CON revisionism-
BushII announced we were leaving back in 2008 with a date of 2011. AMERICANS insisted, IRAQIS insisted. BushII needed 'success' after the debacle of WMD and the arrogant/ignorant occupation so he created one out of smoke and money. He tried create a CON game that we had 'won' during a lull in the fighting he bribed ALL sides to create and then scuttled away.

More CON Game- how many USofA Troops died after VE/VJ day? How many suicide bombers attacked our troops? How many German or Japanese policemen turned their weapons on their USofA trainers? How many used IEDs on military convoys in Bremen, Osaka? How many mortared USofA bases on Japanese or German soil?

Over 96% of our losses were AFTER the fall of Baghdad... :doh

Absolutely no comparison...
 
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Navy Pride said:
The biggest mistake Obama made in his 6 years in office is "Cutting and Running" in Iraq and pulling all our troops from there like a sniveling coward. I try to find one good thing this man has done in his 6 years of office and there are none..........Now almost every country in the mid east Is under attack and Obama is not doing a damn thing about it except going to Palm Springs for a fund raising event.
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Typical nonsense from the extreme right.

Iraq has been a ****hole for thousands of years. Not a damned thing we can do about it. We don't need to own yet another ****hole. We need to get the hell out of there.
 
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Travis007 said:
He carpet bombed.. but I guess you hate the people of Iraq
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I don't think it is our place to interfere with other nation's sovereignty, if we don't have to. I didn't like it when Bush invaded and I didn't like it that Obama didn't bring the soldiers home sooner.
 
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apdst said:
Who IS the president now, while things are going to hell?
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Just because Obama has made a mess out of Iraq doesn't change who ordered the invasion. For some reason you are unable to see but one side of the situation. Wake up and see the whole picture.
 
Top Cat said:
We should never have gone in there period.
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Ah but we did go in there blessed by the democrats get over it...Its ancient history. The problem now is your daddy pulled the troops out before the job was done....Get that through your head.....Now this radical group is on its way to Baghdad and another Embassy is endangering of falling making Benghazi look like a first graders birthday party and Obama (the clueless one) is doing nothing.
 
Navy Pride said:
Ah but we did go in there blessed by the democrats get over it...Its ancient history. The problem now is your daddy pulled the troops out before the job was done....Get that through your head.....Now this radical group is on its way to Baghdad and another Embassy is endangering of falling making Benghazi look like a first graders birthday party and Obama (the clueless one) is doing nothing.
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If you want us to get involved, sign a proper declaration of war.
 
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Top Cat said:
Typical nonsense from the extreme right.

Iraq has been a ****hole for thousands of years. Not a damned thing we can do about it. We don't need to own yet another ****hole. We need to get the hell out of there.
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Three years ago when we "Cut and Run" the Iraqi government was as stable as it could be. If we would left a presence there (10 thousand men) the country would not be in the bad shape it is.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Three years ago when we "Cut and Run" the Iraqi government was as stable as it could be. If we would left a presence there (10 thousand men) the country would not be in the bad shape it is.
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Then blame the Iraqis for imposing a demand that our troops would not be granted immunity if we stayed.
 
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cpwill said:
True Story. ISIL was on the way to extinction when GW handed over the reins.
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Nothing like that is EVER "on its way to extinction"...EVER.
 
Navy Pride said:
We haven't had a declaration of war since WW2....Get your president off his lazy ass to initiate it.
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They will welcome us as liberators, the war will be over in four months and we can use the Iraqi oil to pay the cost of the war.
Hmmmm, I remember when Obama and his administration talked like that....NOT.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
They will welcome us as liberators, the war will be over in four months and we can use the Iraqi oil to pay the cost of the war.
Hmmmm, I remember when Obama and his administration talked like that....NOT.
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No, they said things like Iraq is stable, we want to win the Good War in Afghanistan, the Iraqi government is ready to take over, we are going to lead from behind in Libya and that will be just fine, al-Qaeda is decimated, Doing (fill in the thing that someone then immediately did) X is a Red Line, if you like your insurance you can keep it, etc.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Then blame the Iraqis for imposing a demand that our troops would not be granted immunity if we stayed.
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Gosh. If only we had some cabinet level position in charge of handling negotiations on behalf of the United States.....
 
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cpwill said:
:shrug: if you want to believe so. But insurgencies die.
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Shall we tally up a list of the insurgencies which "died" and compare it to the list of the ones still going strong after ten, twenty, thirty, forty, fifty.....?
 
cpwill said:
No, they said things like Iraq is stable, we want to win the Good War in Afghanistan, the Iraqi government is ready to take over, we are going to lead from behind in Libya and that will be just fine, al-Qaeda is decimated, Doing (fill in the thing that someone then immediately did) X is a Red Line, if you like your insurance you can keep it, etc.
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