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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Travis007 said:
It was Obama who did not want to stay for poltical gain.
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In 2008 GWB signed the agreement to get us out of Iraq.
 
Jerry said:
That would be the point, yes, and then we war untill one side or the other is wiped out, and then it's over with.
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War, death, and destruction are good things (according to conservatives) aren't they!

Yea, we need less peace and more war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

At least is sounds really macho. YOU DA MAN
 
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ChrisL said:
I don't feel any better about what is happening over there. What a waste of blood, money and time! What we should do is just ignore that entire part of the world.
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It seems President Obama has taken your advice, well at least until the weekend is over.

By then the Al Qaeda black flag could be flying over Baghdad.

I don't know anyone calling for boots on the ground but this incompetent administration had a few chances this past week catching ISIS jihadist soldiers in the open on the highway and didn't act when they had a chance to turn the highway into the "Highway of Death for Al Qaeda."
 
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APACHERAT said:
It seems President Obama has taken your advice, well at least until the weekend is over.

By then the Al Qaeda black flag could be flying over Baghdad.

I don't know anyone calling for boots on the ground but this incompetent administration had a few chances this past week catching ISIS jihadist soldiers in the open on the highway and didn't act when they had a chance to turn the highway into the "Highway of Death for Al Qaeda."
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I don't know that it would be a bad thing for those people to just kill each other. As long as they are fighting themselves, they aren't attacking the US. And unless they attack the US, we have no business attacking them. What's going on in Iraq is a civil war, nothing more and nothing less.

Regardless, I see absolutely no reason for us to get involved. No point in continuing to waste American resources on unwinable wars.
 
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Travis007 said:
...the WMDS in Syria that were allowed to goover into Syria by El Baredie and Annen from Iraq...
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There's more evidence for Bigfoot than for the Iraqi WMD to Syria theory.

At least according to the US Intelligence community.
 
Jerry said:
That would be the point, yes, and then we war untill one side or the other is wiped out, and then it's over with.
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I wouldn't want to take the risk that it would be my side that get's wiped out. What would the point of that be?

And even if we won, then would we be any better off? Would humanity be any better off after enduring WW3?
 
Screw Egypt.

Screw Libya.

Screw the gassed Syrians.

Screw Crimea.

Screw Ukraine.

Screw Iraq.

Did I leave anyone out?

Obama seems strangely okay with all this.
 
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Erod said:
Screw Egypt.

Screw Libya.

Screw the gassed Syrians.

Screw Crimea.

Screw Ukraine.

Screw Iraq.

Did I leave anyone out?
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You left plenty out.

Regardless, their issues are their issues, as long as they don't screw with the US, I can't see any reason that the US should be involved.

When was the last time Iraq invaded the US? We've invaded them twice during my lifetime. No wonder many of them hate us.
 
imagep said:
You left plenty out.

Regardless, their issues are their issues, as long as they don't screw with the US, I can't see any reason that the US should be involved.

When was the last time Iraq attacked the US?
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So when Jordan, Turkey, and Israel get attacked next, thus completing the caliphate, you want to sit idly for that, too?
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
There's more evidence for Bigfoot than for the Iraqi WMD to Syria theory.

At least according to the US Intelligence community.
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Interesting, because I've read about this below, and also I've heard about some satellite images that were captured prior to the war of some suspicious activity involving large convoys in Iraq that appeared to be moving things.

I can't say what is the truth. All I know is that I sure wouldn't be surprised if there had been chemical weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that were moved prior to the war. I don't know why anyone would find that difficult to believe. :shrug:

The U.S.-Russia agreement to dismantle Syria’s chemical weapons is reigniting a controversy over the 2003 covert operation by Russian special operations forces to remove Iraqi weapons — including chemical arms — and move them to Syria and Lebanon prior to the Iraq War.

John A. Shaw, a former Pentagon official who first disclosed the Iraqi-Russian collaboration to The Washington Times, said the agreement brokered by Moscow could resolve unanswered questions about the arms transfers.

“The Russians were the principal — if not the sole — supplier of chemical weapons to both Iraq and Syria,” said Mr. Shaw, a former deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security who tracked Iraqi weapons for the Pentagon.

Mr. Shaw noted that U.N. inspectors who surveyed the site of the Aug. 21 Syrian chemical weapons attack near Damascus found an intact rocket motor inscribed with Cyrillic writing, indicating the delivery system was Russian in origin.

Mr. Shaw said Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons — about 1,000 tons of nerve and blister agents — is estimated to be 50 percent larger than it was in 2003.
“My people on the ground definitively tracked the Russian movement of Iraqi [chemical weapons] and high explosives to three locations in Syria and two in Lebanon in 2003,” Mr. Shaw told Inside the Ring.
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Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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jmotivator said:
Assuming there is an opposing force willing to retake the cities...
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American firepower couod boost morale within the ranks of the Iraqi Army
 
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ChrisL said:
I can't say what is the truth. All I know is that I sure wouldn't be surprised if there had been chemical weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that were moved prior to the war. I don't know why anyone would find that difficult to believe. :shrug:
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One of these days, they'll find those WMDs. Then it will all have been worth it.
 
Erod said:
So when Jordan, Turkey, and Israel get attacked next, thus completing the caliphate, you want to sit idly for that, too?
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If we have mutual defense pacts with them, then we should assist them. Otherwise, what goes on in Iraq is none of our bitness.

Do you have reason to believe that Jordan, Turkey or Israel are going to be attacked by these insurgents from Iraq? I suspect that those 8,000 insurgents are going to be quite busy trying to take over Iraq. They have their hands full, any talk about them taking over all of that reason is wishful thinking on their part, or media hype.
 
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Amadeus said:
One of these days, they'll find those WMDs. Then it will all have been worth it.
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Didn't you read the article I posted? :roll: Just going to ignore valid information so that you keep Obama slurping?

Mr. Shaw noted that U.N. inspectors who surveyed the site of the Aug. 21 Syrian chemical weapons attack near Damascus found an intact rocket motor inscribed with Cyrillic writing, indicating the delivery system was Russian in origin.

Mr. Shaw said Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons — about 1,000 tons of nerve and blister agents — is estimated to be 50 percent larger than it was in 2003.
“My people on the ground definitively tracked the Russian movement of Iraqi [chemical weapons] and high explosives to three locations in Syria and two in Lebanon in 2003,” Mr. Shaw told Inside the Ring.
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Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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ChrisL said:
Interesting, because I've read about this below, and also I've heard about some satellite images that were captured prior to the war of some suspicious activity involving large convoys in Iraq that appeared to be moving things.
I can't say what is the truth. All I know is that I sure wouldn't be surprised if there had been chemical weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that were moved prior to the war. I don't know why anyone would find that difficult to believe. :shrug:
Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
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Just basing my posts on what we found after rummaging around in Iraq for a few years.
Presumably, our Intelligence Community was aware of the WaTime article you mentioned.

Re-posting a re-posted post
http://www.debatepolitics.com/gener...ot-vote-assad-and-putin-2.html#post1062268490

What the best info currently available re the WMD to Syria theory says.

Addendums to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD (pdf) page1 (page 4 of the pdf)
ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi officials , examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve.
The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a flexibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq—at least when there was considerable profit for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined. There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation.
ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be noted that no information from debriefing of Iraqis in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria.
Nevertheless, given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG analysts believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation.
It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely that conclusive information would have been found.
At best, barring discovery of original documentary evidence of the transfer, reports or sources may have been substantiated or negated, but firm conclusions on actual WMD movements may not be possible.
Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.
Note that "WMD-related materials" ≠ WMDs
 
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imagep said:
Who says things are going to hell?

Maybe they are in Iraq, but isn't that pretty standard there?

The US president is only in charge of the US, not other countries.
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He's not even in charge in the US! :lamo
 
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ChrisL said:
Didn't you read the article I posted? :roll: Just going to ignore valid information so that you keep Obama slurping?
Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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About Shaw


The guy pimping the WMD to Syria story says that the United States' Defense Intelligence Agency thinks the story is B.S.


About Jack Shaw, Another Presenter at the Summit
Mr. Shaw said he acquired his intel about Iraq's WMD going to Syria from a "good friend" of Dick Cheney's and that this info was derided by the DIA as "Israeli disinformation." After the Shaw launched the story, the Fox news reported "it isn't clear how this person has the authority or the knowledge to speak on such a matter."

In the recent past, it seemed that Jack Shaw did some illegal and questionable things. But, then a DoD press release seemed to have cleared him. Subsequently, the exonerating press release had to be pulled because "information has become available that indicates it may not have been accurate at the time it was issued. The matter is under review to determine the facts and circumstances involving the information contained in the original release."
AFAICT, the DoD page revoking the exoneration was last updated 2005-08-25.

Coincidentally, the previously cited article about what prompted the FBI to investigate the actions of Mr. Shaw mentioned the port of Umm al Qasr. At the Summit, Mr. Shaw also mentioned port of Umm al Qasr. He said there were floodable storage areas in Qasr that had held WMD. He also said that in Umm al Qasr, the Soviets loaded Iraqi WMD onto ships so as to sink the weapons and possibly other untold evidence in the depths of the Indian Ocean.
19 Feb 2006 by Simon W. Moon


http://irrationallyinformed.com/aud...aelidisinfo.wav[about 53 mb]

Starting about 45 sec in he begins to talk about shopping the WMD to Syria story to the DIA. He says the DIA told him that the WMD to Syria thing is "Israeli disinformation."[around the 60 second mark] He then says that there was an effort to discredit him and the people associated with the story even though one of them was one of "the Vice Presidents very best friends." [around the two minute mark]
 
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Navy Pride said:
You think gas prices are high now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
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I think gas prices need to stop being subsidized by US via military. If it was $10 a gallon, perhaps we would be getting 100 mpg today...
 
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apdst said:
He's not even in charge in the US! :lamo
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Hmm, that's funny, another conservative was just telling me that he is a dictator. Now which is it?
 
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dad2three2001 said:
I think gas prices need to stop being subsidized by US via military. If it was $10 a gallon, perhaps we would be getting 100 mpg today...
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Nothing should be subsidized - ever.

So yea. Although I don't agree that our wars in the middle east result in lower gas prices.
 
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ocean515 said:
So the reports by the IAEA to the UN prior to the invasion are lies? Love to view some proof of that. These Proglet memes are really quite hysterical.
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I guess Bush found the WMD's right? Oh...
 
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bubbabgone said:
AGAIN ...... so exactly how is Obama's Iraq policy working?
You answer the same way again and we'll know you're flummoxed again.
Keep that in mind.
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HOW do you expect Iraq policy to EVER work? Seriously? Bad from the get go. He is doing the best to extract US from Dubya's HUGE mistake...
 
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