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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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I asked a few times- just how big a force are you talking about? What happens when Maliki refused to extend the Status of Forces agreement with exemption from Iraqi law for Troops and 'contractors'?

Maliki doesn't need a HD big screen 'picture' (and with our intel track record are ya sure it is a help???), he needs guys who will fight, he routinely ignored our advice, he routinely rewarded political cronies and relatives, from day one not once we left ... :doh

'We' didn't steer crap, we CREATED the crap fest with disenfranchised Sunnis.... :doh

BushII/Bremmer threw all the Sunnis out of work, gutted the police and administrative forces- how quickly some forget....

You can train and train and train, but unless the trained troops are willing to fight and face death.... :roll:

Our intel performance in Iraq while US forces were deployed was superb. Moreover, while we were there he followed our advice more often than not. Our outreach to the Sunnis was the basis of the success of the Surge. A Status of Forces agreement could have been reached had our side not been so eager to use those negotiations as a pretext to leave.:peace
 
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Don't worry........Barack has got this.....as soon as he comes off the back nine
 
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Our intel performance in Iraq while US forces were deployed was superb. Moreover, while we were there he followed our advice more often than not. Our outreach to the Sunnis was the basis of the success of the Surge. A Status of Forces agreement could have been reached had our side not been so eager to use those negotiations as a pretext to leave.:peace

True. And the outreach was making nice. Something many say won't work.

I'll also say this, back then, early in the effort, a commander said we could leave in a day or two, or in a century or two, and it wouldn't matter. The place would fight a war whenever we did.
 
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True. And the outreach was making nice. Something many say won't work.

I'll also say this, back then, early in the effort, a commander said we could leave in a day or two, or in a century or two, and it wouldn't matter. The place would fight a war whenever we did.

The outreach worked like a charm. Ending it was what created the problem. And that commander, whoever he was, was a lazy idiot.
 
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The outreach worked like a charm. Ending it was what created the problem. And that commander, whoever he was, was a lazy idiot.

He seems more accurate than most. And no, we could not stay forever. And Iraq takes a forever effort. The mistake was going in.
 
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He seems more accurate than most. And no, we could not stay forever. And Iraq takes a forever effort. The mistake was going in.

We have stayed in Germany and Korea for over half a century and that worked out well. Much less of a presence would have been required in Iraq to avert the current crisis and influence regional evolution positively.:peace
 
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We have stayed in Germany and Korea for over half a century and that worked out well. Much less of a presence would have been required in Iraq to avert the current crisis and influence regional evolution positively.:peace

A false comparison. Nations and situations are not alike. Iraq was a completely different situation, lacking a people that had enough similarities to ever adjust as those countries did. They have a long history of being divided, or having differing beliefs and holding grudges. It's a logical mistake to make that comparison.
 
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He never really wanted us to leave.:peace

On June 13, 2008, Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said that negotiations with the United States on a long-term security pact were deadlocked because of concern the deal infringes Iraqi sovereignty. "We have reached an impasse because when we opened these negotiations we did not realize that the U.S. demands would so deeply affect Iraqi sovereignty and this is something we can never accept", he said in Amman, Jordan. "We cannot allow U..S forces to have the right to jail Iraqis or assume, alone, the responsibility of fighting against terrorism", Maliki told Jordanian newspaper editors, according to a journalist present at the meeting
Malaki didn't want to play by US rules, so, screw him, let him fight the terrorists in his country with his own resources. He either played by our conditions or not at all, in time of fighting terrorists in foreign countries, these countries need to learn if they want US help, they use our playbook and not their own.

I sure hope Obama doesn't put boots back in that cesspool, it would be the wrong thing to do.

I heard house speaker Boner talking **** today about Obama not doing anything, this is proof the the republican chicken hawks still want boots there, which is another hatched bad idea.
 
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A false comparison. Nations and situations are not alike. Iraq was a completely different situation, lacking a people that had enough similarities to ever adjust as those countries did. They have a long history of being divided, or having differing beliefs and holding grudges. It's a logical mistake to make that comparison.


Germany too too had a long history of division and grudges, and Korea was more unlike us than is Iraq. Sorry, but your claim falls short.:peace:peace
 
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Malaki didn't want to play by US rules, so, screw him, let him fight the terrorists in his country with his own resources. He either played by our conditions or not at all, in time of fighting terrorists in foreign countries, these countries need to learn if they want US help, they use our playbook and not their own.

I sure hope Obama doesn't put boots back in that cesspool, it would be the wrong thing to do.

I heard house speaker Boner talking **** today about Obama not doing anything, this is proof the the republican chicken hawks still want boots there, which is another hatched bad idea.

A Status of Forces Agreement was within reach had our side not wanted so badly to leave. Maliki was just putting the best face on an outcome he did not want.:peace
 
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Germany too too had a long history of division and grudges, and Korea was more unlike us than is Iraq. Sorry, but your claim falls short.:peace:peace

Nothing like Iraq. They just don't compare. Later I can link some writings on that is you want.
 
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A Status of Forces Agreement was within reach had our side not wanted so badly to leave. Maliki was just putting the best face on an outcome he did not want.:peace

US military wasn't about to stand for more ambushes and attacks, and wanted to round up and incarcerate suspected terrorists but the installed regime wanted no part of it, now Iraq, it's people, and Malaki will pay the price. If Bush would never have wanted to war with Iraq, none of this would be happening.

Hussein was a brutal dictator but at least he kept those terrorists in check and didn't put up with too much crap, he simply offed them, his intolerance to crap was astonishing. Malaki is such a weak leader.

This ain't the first time the USA has installed a leader who failed. Probably won't be the last either.
 
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US military wasn't about to stand for more ambushes and attacks, and wanted to round up and incarcerate suspected terrorists but the installed regime wanted no part of it, now Iraq, it's people, and Malaki will pay the price. If Bush would never have wanted to war with Iraq, none of this would be happening.

Hussein was a brutal dictator but at least he kept those terrorists in check and didn't put up with too much crap, he simply offed them, his intolerance to crap was astonishing. Malaki is such a weak leader.

This ain't the first time the USA has installed a leader who failed. Probably won't be the last either.
Even Gaddaff had terrorists in check, now he's gone. :shock:
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Our intel performance in Iraq while US forces were deployed was superb. Moreover, while we were there he followed our advice more often than not. Our outreach to the Sunnis was the basis of the success of the Surge. A Status of Forces agreement could have been reached had our side not been so eager to use those negotiations as a pretext to leave.:peace

ONE policy CONservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on? EVER?

How about one policy the GOP has been correct about and it worked as promised the passed 40 years?
 
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Even Gaddaff had terrorists in check, now he's gone. :shock:

Seems like every country the USA goes to, to overthrow dictators, it ends up not being the good thing to do, seems it destabilizes nations and governments.

We should worry about our own backyard, and let these goat herding nations and countries handle their own problems, JMO.
 
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We have stayed in Germany and Korea for over half a century and that worked out well. Much less of a presence would have been required in Iraq to avert the current crisis and influence regional evolution positively.:peace

Bet you are first on board to FINALLY decide Bush's war of choice is worth paying for and advocating for an Iraq tax on those 'job creators' to pay for it too right?
 
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Obama couldn't wait to get out of Iraq.

And Bush couldn't wait to invade. Which one hurt more?
 
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ONE policy CONservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history on? EVER?

How about one policy the GOP has been correct about and it worked as promised the passed 40 years?
Reagan did a pretty good job ending the cold war.
 
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This is what happens when you tell the enemy exactly when you're going to break camp and go home.

Yeah. Thank goodness we weren't stupid enough to do that in Afghanistan, eh?
 
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Reagan did a pretty good job ending the cold war.

Name the policy?

The Whitewashing of Ronald Reagan

Did Reagan end the Cold War? Immediately after the Berlin Wall fell, a USA Today survey found that only 14% of respondents believed that. Historians mostly credit forty years of “Containment” by eight U.S. presidents.


As Tony Judt’s Postwar concluded: “…Washington did not ‘bring down’ Communism – Communism imploded of its own accord.”

Vox Verax: The Whitewashing of Ronald Reagan


I THOUGH COMMUNISM IS JUST A FAILURE? Which one, Reagan or communism?
 
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A false comparison. Nations and situations are not alike. Iraq was a completely different situation, lacking a people that had enough similarities to ever adjust as those countries did. They have a long history of being divided, or having differing beliefs and holding grudges. It's a logical mistake to make that comparison.

So does Asia and Europe.
 
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Name the policy?

The Whitewashing of Ronald Reagan

Did Reagan end the Cold War? Immediately after the Berlin Wall fell, a USA Today survey found that only 14% of respondents believed that. Historians mostly credit forty years of “Containment” by eight U.S. presidents.


As Tony Judt’s Postwar concluded: “…Washington did not ‘bring down’ Communism – Communism imploded of its own accord.”

Vox Verax: The Whitewashing of Ronald Reagan


I THOUGH COMMUNISM IS JUST A FAILURE? Which one, Reagan or communism?
Don't give me this patronizing bull****. You asked for a CON policy success and I gave you one. Also, a "USA Today survey" is about as scientific as voodoo.
 
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Don't give me this patronizing bull****. You asked for a CON policy success and I gave you one. Also, a "USA Today survey" is about as scientific as voodoo.

So you can't name a policy Reagan used to bring down the USSR? Thanks, got it...

I thought maybe Poppy Bush should get credit, since he was in office when it happened?

So communism isn't a failed economic or political philosophy, Reagan just gave his speeches and USSR caved? Is that the CONservative position?

AFGHANISTAN ring a bell?
 
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I bet the prison breaks of 2013 around that region led to this today.

However, have to notice that the rapid advance is amazing. Curious who is that general leading the tactics.
 
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