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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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The USA should never have gotten involved in Iraq and I don't see any reason why the USA should get in the middle of this mess.

Let them people solve their own problems.

We still have the same concerns about the stability of the region that we had back when Clinton was President.
 
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We never should have had troops in Iraq. It is a grand disaster and much of the it is due to the United States.

Prediction: We have not and we will not learn to leave sovereign nations the feck alone. Everyone, again and again, will suffer except the profiteers and the ones of give the orders. It will not stop until each American feels the profound sacrifice inherent in waging war.

The Western world can't be cut off from the oil. It's a classic issue of national security. Global security, in fact.
 
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Syria is out of the picture. When ISIS forces are done with Iraq, they will turn back to Syria and finish there as well.

Depends if we agree with Russia to boost the Syrian Army enough to hammer them. This whole thing is a hot mess with the Kurds just taking over Kirkuk. And Turkey says they may get involved, and Biden just told Baghdad we're in, so I'm not sure where this is heading?
 
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I heard many Obama detractors state that the withdrawal had been brokered by the previous administration.
That is a fact. The Bush administration set the framework for withdraw from Iraq.
Therefore, the prez deserved no credit.
Now, when the long-predicted chaos unfolds, Obama's to blame?
That would assume that Obama made zero changes and followed the Bush plan 100%. I don't think anyone would believe that, and while blame does probably belong to Obama's administration at some level, it didn't stop them from "Mission Accomplished" and taking credit for it in 2010.




Yeah, the smart thing to do is keep our soldiers stationed between warring factions.
Sort of a buffer zone, eh?
That way, we can sacrifice more Americans for the false hope of Middle-Eastern democracy.
No, better to let them kill each other and ignore them unless they start attacking us or our allies. Then we simply bomb them back to the stone age, rinse, repeat. If Iraq has taught us anything it's that trying to help these morons is a waste of life and not worth the price.
 
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We'll have no choice but to go back in with troops.

No way.
It is my opinion that Americans are disgusted with the ME and will not support boots on the ground.
Air raids alone won't help the situation, because the al-Maliki gov't will come under pressure again from the Sunni majority.

Air raids can help.
But Iraq needs willing fighters to battle ground troops.
Are there willing fighters?
Shiites are the majority in Iraq.

And the US can't allow that whole region to come under terrorist, Syrian and Iranian control.

We shall see.
 
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No, better to let them kill each other and ignore them unless they start attacking us or our allies. Then we simply bomb them back to the stone age, rinse, repeat. If Iraq has taught us anything it's that trying to help these morons is a waste of life and not worth the price.[/QUOTE]

Excellent post.
This last portion is not arguable.
 
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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

Iraq is not going down fast...only parts of it are (for now).

Most of Mosul and Tikrit are tradition Sunni areas.

ISIS is not a huge group, but they are determined and the Iraqi army is a joke right now. I read that the latter outnumbered ISIS 15 to 1 in Mosul. But because the Iraqi Army is a mess, they just fled.

There is no way ISIS has enough manpower/firepower to take Baghdad...not even close.

The question is will America drive ISIS back to Syria with air strikes? And will Iran come and help it's Shia 'brothers'? If so, will other countries get involved?

Or will ISIS run a quasi-country in eastern Syria/western-northern (outside of Kurdish territory) Iraq?
 
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No way.
It is my opinion that Americans are disgusted with the ME and will not support boots on the ground.


Air raids can help.
But Iraq needs willing fighters to battle ground troops.
Are there willing fighters?
Shiites are the majority in Iraq.



We shall see.


This is NOT a left vs right situation at all. This is a National Defense situation, where we'll definitely be doing something.

Sunni are an Arab majority and if this turns into a Shiite and Sunni battle, expect Iran and the Saudi's to get directly involved. As a matter of fact, the Iranian's have added their Al-Quds Force to help the ISIS take over Tikrit.
 
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Sadly as predicted before we even invaded, after Bush announced it. We never had a real plan for 'bringing them democracy,' that just sounded good and they figured everybody wants democracy...yippee! It'll be easy. It helped sell the bull****, unnecessary war.

What a ****ing loser, him and Cheney, to have wasted so many lives and trillions of dollars for nothing.

For that $, we could have had every residential home and building in the US set up for solar power. (It's approx $40,000/one family home, & works even here in the cloudy NW)

Not only that, we would have probably succeeded in Afghanistan, where we were winning until we turned our attention to Iraq and could be out of there by now too, with our soldiers not still being killed and maimed.
 
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no. both administrations, both parties, the entire united states are shackled to the corpses of the afghanistan/iraq wars. 14 years of misguided, foolish, and pointless war.

14 years?
 
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The Western world can't be cut off from the oil.

We got along without Iraq's oil when Saddam was in power.
What makes you so certain that any new rulers won't sell their oil?
Saddam certainly was happy to do so.

It's a classic issue of national security. Global security, in fact.

Maybe.
China uses a lot of oil.
How are they able to obtain crude while avoiding ME quagmires?
 
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The Western world can't be cut off from the oil. It's a classic issue of national security. Global security, in fact.

LOL

Why should we care about the "Western world"?

How about instead we worry about the United States.

If we do that we're golden.

Between what we're pulling out of shale, and what we can import from SA, we'll be just fine in terms of oil and we're on pace to be self-sufficient within the next 10 to 20 years anyway.

If India and China want cheap oil to build the economic infrastructures that are poised to bury the U.S. let them spend their money, and the lives of their citizens, making the Middle East safe for capitalism.
 
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no. both administrations, both parties, the entire united states are shackled to the corpses of the afghanistan/iraq wars. 14 years of misguided, foolish, and pointless war.

Only the current administration can deal with current issues. "For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday." Gibran.
 
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the width raw order was a hand me down from the previous administration.

Doesn't matter. The current administration has had 6 years to improve it. Silence is consent. FWIW: Obama DID ask for the job.
 
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I swear to God, the way these people are posting one would think Bush is still in the White House. I wish they would look at their clocks and calendars.
 
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We'll have no choice but to go back in with troops. Air raids alone won't help the situation, because the al-Maliki gov't will come under pressure again from the Sunni majority. And the US can't allow that whole region to come under terrorist, Syrian and Iranian control.

That won't happen.
 
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I'm not sure what you're saying here.
We should have worked out a deal that Maliki liked or one that we liked?



I heard many Obama detractors state that the withdrawal had been brokered by the previous administration.
Therefore, the prez deserved no credit.
Now, when the long-predicted chaos unfolds, Obama's to blame?
All this spinning is making me dizzy.



Yeah, the smart thing to do is keep our soldiers stationed between warring factions.
Sort of a buffer zone, eh?
That way, we can sacrifice more Americans for the false hope of Middle-Eastern democracy.

Obama has had 6 years to change anything 'brokered' by the previous administration
 
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They wanted us out, we left. Now they can suck it. Maybe Iran will come to their rescue this time. :shrug:

Finally, an educated view point.

Unlike the trolls who can't figure out why the SOFA never got agreed to.

Obama was right for NOT agreeing to the Iraqi demand for US soldiers to be under Iraqi Judicial Jurisdiction. They were never going to drop that demand and we were never going to agree to it.

Serves them right not budging.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Sadly as predicted before we even invaded, after Bush announced it. We never had a real plan for 'bringing them democracy,' that just sounded good and they figured everybody wants democracy...yippee! It'll be easy. It helped sell the bull****, unnecessary war.

What a ****ing loser, him and Cheney, to have wasted so many lives and trillions of dollars for nothing.

For that $, we could have had every residential home and building in the US set up for solar power. (It's approx $40,000/one family home, & works even here in the cloudy NW)

Not only that, we would have probably succeeded in Afghanistan, where we were winning until we turned our attention to Iraq and could be out of there by now too, with our soldiers not still being killed and maimed.


Obama is the current president. He has been in office for 6 years. He has had 6 years to change anything and everything Bush did. The Bush posts are all off topic. Bush is not in office. He's been gone 6 years.
 
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And Obama couldn't wait!

and neither could the iraqi's.

should we have overruled the objections of the nation cooperating with us and providing us with the land to use as bases
 
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I swear to God, the way these people are posting one would think Bush is still in the White House. I wish they would look at their clocks and calendars.

I wish we had a man as decent as GWB as President today..
 
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Obama is the current president. He has been in office for 6 years. He has had 6 years to change anything and everything Bush did. The Bush posts are all off topic. Bush is not in office. He's been gone 6 years.

I beg to differ. Presidents of both percussions have to deal with legacy issues from decades ago, so 6yrs is miniscule in comparison.

Paul
 
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