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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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No ones asking for anyone to be absolved, we're talking about current events not historic events. And when Biden takes credit for Iraq's successes in 2010 and in 2014 it turns to **** like it is now, and the military says this is what will happen in Afghanistan after we leave too, perhaps the current administration doesn't get absolved either due to ill concieved credit and bad policy.

Some people are simply unable to tell the difference in the past, present, and future. They are little children who haven't gotten that time factor down just yet. I'm relatively certain they never will, but they could stop derailing this thread with Bush. This current mess is due to OBAMA's policies, not Bush's.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

The ISIS is not affiliated with the muslim brotherhood.

and by the by, the military overthrew the muslim brotherhood government.

Doesn't mean they won't be.
 
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While we were there Maliki benefited from a much better intel picture and we were able to steer him away from the choices that have alienated Sunnis the past two years. Our residual force would have been for training and support, with a small special ops capability for those special someones.

I asked a few times- just how big a force are you talking about? What happens when Maliki refused to extend the Status of Forces agreement with exemption from Iraqi law for Troops and 'contractors'?

Maliki doesn't need a HD big screen 'picture' (and with our intel track record are ya sure it is a help???), he needs guys who will fight, he routinely ignored our advice, he routinely rewarded political cronies and relatives, from day one not once we left ... :doh

'We' didn't steer crap, we CREATED the crap fest with disenfranchised Sunnis.... :doh

BushII/Bremmer threw all the Sunnis out of work, gutted the police and administrative forces- how quickly some forget....

You can train and train and train, but unless the trained troops are willing to fight and face death.... :roll:
 
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Yes, because the US is so open to Muslims

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It's that Constitution thing CONservatives 'love', especially the first

INSTEAD OF 'ALLUDE' READ THE LINK

"In modern times, under Saddam, Christians were treated much the same as Muslims; Saddam's right hand man, Tariq Aziz, was Christian, Pelley said.

"Before the war," said Pelley,"it's estimated there were about a million Christians in Iraq. They were a small minority, but free to worship, free to build churches, and free to speak the ancient language of Jesus, Aramaic. But, after the invasion, Muslim militants launched a war on each other and the cross."

Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein by Michael Ireland

I read you link. And I've been to the middle east. There isn't enough money to pay me to go back.
 
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Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.

LOL, Too funny, no logic reasoning or honesty

It's the Kenyan, Muslims fault!
 
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Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.

iraq has been a mess for 10 years and afghanistan has suffered 12 years of american involvement. to say that iraq and afghanistan are in trouble because of obama's policies is nothing but politics. both administrations share blame for the mess in iraq and the middle east.
 
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that does not absolve the previous administration of destabilizing the country due to negligence and ill-conceived plans.

Obama was supposed to heal the planet. What happened?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.

BS.
This is the Iraqi's baby.
Fight for your own freedom/land/lives.
Fix your own damned country.
 
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I read you link. And I've been to the middle east. There isn't enough money to pay me to go back.

Good, you agree, Saddam treated Christians as he did the rest of his people,. AFTER Bush chose his invasion of Iraq, the Christians were treated worse!
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

iraq has been a mess for 10 years and afghanistan has suffered 12 years of american involvement. to say that iraq and afghanistan are in trouble because of obama's policies is nothing but politics. both administrations share blame for the mess in iraq and the middle east.

Things got worse after Obama was elected. Time to face that reality.
 
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Obama was supposed to heal the planet. What happened?

Said CONservatives and their Guru's. Weird...
 
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I am personally acquainted with Christian Iraqis who were tortured by Saddam's fetayeen.

I am sure you are- Saddam tortured alot of people. Yes, that number included some Christians.

But that is not really my point. At the end of the day, Saddam had absolutely nothing against Christianity as a religion and did not harm Christians simply because they were Christian.
 
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are you really that politically biased that you cannot grasp what is the practical reality.

Apparently Rush, Beck, Hannity, etc do a VERY good taking what little brains CONservatives have and trashing them to reason, logic and honesty :(
 
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Things got worse after Obama was elected. Time to face that reality.

no. both administrations, both parties, the entire united states are shackled to the corpses of the afghanistan/iraq wars. 14 years of misguided, foolish, and pointless war.
 
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BS.
This is the Iraqi's baby.
Fight for your own freedom/land/lives.
Fix your own damned country.

I'm not saying we should fix it. I'm saying that this current crisis is due to OBAMA'S failed policies.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

are you really that politically biased that you cannot grasp what is the practical reality.

Ooh..ooh..ooh...I know this answer!
Call on me...call on me....!

A. YES!!
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Obama was supposed to heal the planet. What happened?

That's right. Obama has all the answers!
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

I'm not saying we should fix it. I'm saying that this current crisis is due to OBAMA'S failed policies.

Such as?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Good, you agree, Saddam treated Christians as he did the rest of his people,. AFTER Bush chose his invasion of Iraq, the Christians were treated worse!

Believe what you want.
 
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I don't get paid to keep you up on current events. If you have slept through the last 6 years, that's your problem, not mine.
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

Believe what you want.

I believe FACT based things. You, not so much. TRY to get off ideology and more into facts...
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

At the end of the day, Saddam had absolutely nothing against Christianity as a religion and did not harm Christians simply because they were Christian.

What source are you using to base that statement?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

I don't get paid to keep you up on current events. If you have slept through the last 6 years, that's your problem, not mine.

So you admit to being a nickle poster?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

I believe FACT based things. You, not so much. TRY to get off ideology and more into facts...

I believe the immigrants I helped in TN. You, not so much.
 
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