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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Maenad said:
There IS an agenda:



ISIS: The first terror group to build an Islamic State? - CNN.com

Remember Obama sez 'we are not at war with islam.' This may be the first 'terror group' to build an islamic state, but it is certainly not the first nor the last 'group' to do so as we have witnessed over the last 6 years of the Obama administration. Go back and watch Obama's 'outreach' to the 'islamic world.' I think that speech was his signal to them to proceed. I believe Obama has been assisting the establishment of those islamic controlled governments.
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Old riddles say Jews wanted to rule the world, so they conquered US govern.
Guess it's Islamists turn now. :shock:
 
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Maenad said:
There IS an agenda:



ISIS: The first terror group to build an Islamic State? - CNN.com

Remember Obama sez 'we are not at war with islam.' This may be the first 'terror group' to build an islamic state, but it is certainly not the first nor the last 'group' to do so as we have witnessed over the last 6 years of the Obama administration. Go back and watch Obama's 'outreach' to the 'islamic world.' I think that speech was his signal to them to proceed.
I believe Obama has been assisting the establishment of those islamic controlled governments.
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Honestly, I don't know how you can force people who gave up on themselves 1000 years ago and really like living in the Dark Ages into the current millennium. I don't think it is possible. They have to WANT democracy.

We should be assisting the ones who do not want to live under islamic control into safe havens where they can live in freedom. And yes, there are Christians in those countries AND muslims who want to live like we do. Can they prevail? Apparently not.
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That conclusion is pretty much unavoidable ... and only one of many unfortunate conclusions to be drawn regarding Obama.
 
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jonny5 said:
Really, they dont matter anyway. The only important thing here is keeping terrorists from using local resources to attack US.
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Then they should be stopped at our Southern border ... too bad the Border Patrol, is too busy baby sitting.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Then they should be stopped at our Southern border ... too bad the Border Patrol, is too busy baby sitting.
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Amen to that! :thumbs: I don't understand why Border agents and State Governors are responsible for seeing that illegals are taken care of, when it's the federal government that has failed to do its job by enforcing the laws on immigration in the first place. Then to have to listen to the illegals whining about the food they've been given to eat just about takes the damn cake! :thumbdown:

Good morning, bubba. :2wave:
 
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The question Iraqis ought to ask themselves: were they better off under Saddam Hussein?
 
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PoS said:
The question Iraqis ought to ask themselves: were they better off under Saddam Hussein?
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Some were. Others not so much. I reference the thousands he poisoned, and the Christians dragged out of their homes by his fedayeen and tortured.
 
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bubbabgone said:
Then they should be stopped at our Southern border ... too bad the Border Patrol, is too busy baby sitting.
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polgara said:
Amen to that! :thumbs: I don't understand why Border agents and State Governors are responsible for seeing that illegals are taken care of, when it's the federal government that has failed to do its job by enforcing the laws on immigration in the first place. Then to have to listen to the illegals whining about the food they've been given to eat just about takes the damn cake! :thumbdown:

Good morning, bubba. :2wave:
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Personally, I would like to see the threads concerning Iraq stay on the topic of Iraq.
 
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Maenad said:
Personally, I would like to see the threads concerning Iraq stay on the topic of Iraq.
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The group currently making the headlines, the ISIS, seem to be acting independently of al qeada and is actually fighting every group in the region.
 
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Maenad said:
Personally, I would like to see the threads concerning Iraq stay on the topic of Iraq.
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Oops! We do sometimes tend to stray off topic somehow, even if we're only responding to someone else's post. Apologies....

Greetings, Maenad. :2wave:
 
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Maenad said:
Some were. Others not so much. I reference the thousands he poisoned, and the Christians dragged out of their homes by his fedayeen and tortured.
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Putting the people of Iraq aside, none of this would have happened under Saddam's rule even with his weaken army after Desert Storm. The one thing Saddam with Iraq was to keep it stable and the different factions from fighting each other. Now quite a lot of people wouldn't agree with his methods, but they worked.
 
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Perotista said:
Putting the people of Iraq aside, none of this would have happened under Saddam's rule even with his weaken army after Desert Storm. The one thing Saddam with Iraq was to keep it stable and the different factions from fighting each other. Now quite a lot of people wouldn't agree with his methods, but they worked.
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Yep, he kept the lid on the pressure cooker from blowing everything to Kingdom Come under his watch. Look at what it is today - is it better or worst than it was before? I'd say worst in most ways, and that's sad. Enforced stability is sometimes preferable to chaos. My opinion....

Greeting, Pero. :2wave:
 
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AJiveMan said:
Malaki want's us back. what a ditz.
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he always did.. It was Obama who did not want to stay for poltical gain..

Obama.. what a ditz... but Obama only cares about destroying the USA and the GOP.. nothing else matters..Obamas goal is to bring the USA to its knees and to fumble our position in the world..

hows that red line in Syria doing?
 
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polgara said:
Yep, he kept the lid on the pressure cooker from blowing everything to Kingdom Come under his watch. Look at what it is today - is it better or worst than it was before? I'd say worst in most ways, and that's sad. Enforced stability is sometimes preferable to chaos. My opinion....

Greeting, Pero. :2wave:
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Sometimes stability if preferred even if the guy is a scumbag, tyrant and dictator. Getting rid of him may seem like the right thing to do, but you never know what will happen or which side of the coin a country will be on once the pieces get put back together. This is one reason I am in favor of staying out of Syria. Libya looks like it is also headed into chaos, not to mention Afghanistan. Oh the folly of nation building. Nation building is no more than colonization under local rulers doing your bidding.

The best thing we could have done was let the Iraqi and Afghani have the form of government they wanted, then perhaps this wouldn't be happening in Iraq and perhaps we wouldn't have turned 8 of the 14 tribe northern alliance against us if we let them go back to tribal rule like they themselves wanted.
 
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Perotista said:
Sometimes stability if preferred even if the guy is a scumbag, tyrant and dictator. Getting rid of him may seem like the right thing to do, but you never know what will happen or which side of the coin a country will be on once the pieces get put back together. This is one reason I am in favor of staying out of Syria. Libya looks like it is also headed into chaos, not to mention Afghanistan. Oh the folly of nation building. Nation building is no more than colonization under local rulers doing your bidding.

The best thing we could have done was let the Iraqi and Afghani have the form of government they wanted, then perhaps this wouldn't be happening in Iraq and perhaps we wouldn't have turned 8 of the 14 tribe northern alliance against us if we let them go back to tribal rule like they themselves wanted.
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The attitude that we know what's best for everyone around the world doesn't seem to be working out too well so far! :no: Great Britain, when they ruled the world, arbitrarily divided countries up under their colonization ideas - which only made sense to them, is what started this mess that continues to this day. I really think we should butt out and leave others to run their own countries - in other words, mind our own business! Choosing which faction to give arms to only prolongs the hostilities, and only makes us more enemies! Sheesh!
 
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polgara said:
The attitude that we know what's best for everyone around the world doesn't seem to be working out too well so far! :no: Great Britain, when they ruled the world, arbitrarily divided countries up under their colonization ideas - which only made sense to them, is what started this mess that continues to this day. I really think we should butt out and leave others to run their own countries - in other words, mind our own business! Choosing which faction to give arms to only prolongs the hostilities, and only makes us more enemies! Sheesh!
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A lot of these problems can be traced back to WWI when the victors drew up the boundary lines making countries out of the old Austria-Hungarian Empire and the Ottoman Empire. The lines were drawn up with no regard to ethnic identity or religious beliefs. Yes, at times it is better to let other countries and their people sorts things out for themselves, but we always seem to have to get involved in other countries messes for this reason or that reason. Sometimes it may be warranted, other times it is not.
 
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shrubnose said:
Says who?

looks like a good job for the UN to me.
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If they keep take over areas with oil fields, they can possibly reduce the daily production levels enough to shock the market. As much as we're becoming independent of that area for direct energy, the global market is an aggregate of oil supply, causing the price per barrel to rise when wells are taken offline. If we allow the rebels to continue, they can spread their control and destabilize a large area of the ME for quite awhile.
 
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Maenad said:
Some were. Others not so much. I reference the thousands he poisoned, and the Christians dragged out of their homes by his fedayeen and tortured.
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Actually, Saddam's number two man was Christian. No Christians were ever drug out of their homes in Saddam's Iraq on account of their religion. A few Christians, however, may of been harmed because of their politics.
 
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MMC said:
Mornin' HD. :2wave: They hated us even before we got involved. Only thing our interaction with them did.....was to increase their Hatred. Always having what one hates around them.....will do such.
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I can remember very well having seen similar dynamics in play in the Mekong Delta in 1971.

What's that old saying about those who ignore the lessons of history....?
 
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Perotista said:
Putting the people of Iraq aside, none of this would have happened under Saddam's rule even with his weaken army after Desert Storm. The one thing Saddam with Iraq was to keep it stable and the different factions from fighting each other. Now quite a lot of people wouldn't agree with his methods, but they worked.
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No, but he would have done something else instead. Invade his neighbors, build and sell nukes, gas his citizens.
 
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apdst said:
So, they love AQ for all the beheadings this week?
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You'll have to ask them about that, but the religious are often very much supportive of corporal punishment. Some book or the other tells them it's a good thing, ya know?
 
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jonny5 said:
No, but he would have done something else instead. Invade his neighbors, build and sell nukes, gas his citizens.
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Not after desert storm. We were keeping him on a short leash. He knew that.
 
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Henry David said:
You'll have to ask them about that, but the religious are often very much supportive of corporal punishment. Some book or the other tells them it's a good thing, ya know?
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A half-million people are fleeing the insurgents. I'd say they don't dig the insurgents, much.
 
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Remember when Biden was impressed about how much of an Obama success Iraq was?




:lamo
 
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Ockham said:
Remember when Biden was impressed about how much of an Obama success Iraq was?




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On Bush's war of choice?
 
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