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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Like it did in Vietnam I guess.... I don't see the influence, enormous or otherwise, as Maliki was intent on sending the USofA troops packing ASAP. But just what size force you thinking of? Would it go out and about in the cities and villages or act as a velvet hand on Maliki's throat? Not REAL sure what better choices maliki made, seems the Kurds and Sunnis paid him no attention while the Shia militias seemed more intent on making demands than listening to Maliki's better choices

While we were there Maliki benefited from a much better intel picture and we were able to steer him away from the choices that have alienated Sunnis the past two years. Our residual force would have been for training and support, with a small special ops capability for those special someones.:peace
 
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It was perfectly stable until we left.

LOL Iraq has been embroiled in a civil war ever since we overthrew Sadaam and disbanded the Govt. and military. Just because we used our nations blood and treasure to suppress it does not mean it was ever gone. Anyone with half a brain could see this result, that's why Bush Jr. did the invading. His Father did not want to bear the guilt of decades of bloody civil war....not a problem for GW though.
 
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Whats important here is that we blame Bush. And then use that to whip up the democratic base so as not to lose the Senate in November. We dont actually have to do anything about it.
 
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This is what happens when you tell the enemy exactly when you're going to break camp and go home.

Explain to me again how Iraq's tribes are an enemy to the US?

All that sophistry advanced on the news media for years somehow slipped my mind...:doh
 
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At last I agree with the left crowd. We should never have gone to Iraq. It is good we are gone. It is bad they can't maintain a normal government. Put it behind us. There is no point in our getting involved any more in central Asia. Let's defend the homeland. Let someone else try to fix all the aggression in the world. We can't even afford to do it.
 
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And what exactly makes you think you know what I was thinking 10 years ago? Or what I think today for that matter. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you decide to clean someone else's clock.

So you don't want to answer that question eh?
 
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Explain to me again how Iraq's tribes are an enemy to the US?

All that sophistry advanced on the news media for years somehow slipped my mind...:doh

All the tribes in Iraq are jihadists?
 
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False analysis. Problem is the Iraqis don't use the democratic form of governance, a problem with Western Culture is it thinks it's form of governance is superior and only a few bad men would refuse to use it. many regions of the world have a highly developed tribal system that for good or ill pushes leaders up... not unlike our party system that has a city councilman eventually a US Senator.

It is more bogus thought to claim anyone is 'conditioned' to dictatorship AND declare GAWD given rights live in all people's breasts. (BushII)

What was wrong is we scrapped the existing system and tried to force our 'western' system on the Iraqis. They had a system that needed cleaning not scrapping. But just like throwing all ba'athists out of any and every job in Iraq BushII seemed intent on being deaf to everyone but his inner council- none of which gave a second's thought to anything but Neo-Con think tank position papers.

Comparing the USofA and it's melting pot to tribal Iraq is yet another false comparison. We don't have 2000 years of history. We don't have large enclaves of different religious and tribal areas cobbled together by an outside power. (that said we do have enclaves of blacks some CONs point out as almost a separate land, a LIBstan of sorts, not to mention enclaves of white supremacists in the Rockies, in separation by gated community. We divide our nation into blue and red with some purple (do you listen to some of the overheated rhetoric throw around in here?)

The difference is our tribal power structure (and try to be a GOP liberal these days :shock: ) doesn't have thousands of years of bitter fighting to create the divide Iraq has, though we seem heading that way... :peace

Probably correct. We should just leave these third world nations to their own vices, and let them go on trading their women for goat herds, and not waste our precious resources and lives there. JMO. America has been trying to shove democracy down foreign nations' throats what seems like forever, we need to quit trying to feed them something they don't want to eat.
 
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All the tribes in Iraq are jihadists?

If they want to be thus described.

Considering how much they all hate the US for destroying their country, my guess is that even the women consider themselves to be jihadists. Hatred is a strong motivator for humans.

Is your question an answer to mine? How again, are the Iraqi people, of whichever sect, the enemy of the US?
 
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Someone doesn't know that Iraq never invited us to stay and in fact kicked us out, it wouldn't have been possible to stay there for decades.

How embarrassing for you that you don't know something so basic about this issue, course that won't stop you from forming an opinion or even reconsidering your current one, thats very sad.

Why did we leave it up to them?
 
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NYT is reporting that Iraq asked for airstrikes on ISIS a month ago and were denied by the White House.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/12/w...s-officials-say.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&_r=0

As the threat from Sunni militants in western Iraq escalated last month, Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki secretly asked the Obama administration to consider carrying out airstrikes against extremist staging areas, according to Iraqi and American officials.

But Iraq’s appeals for a military response have so far been rebuffed by the White House, which has been reluctant to open a new chapter in a conflict that President Obama has insisted was over when the United States withdrew the last of its forces from Iraq in 2011.

I guess they better just call in ODIN.
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Why did we leave it up to them?

You also don't know that the goal of the mission was to give them sovereignty, no different than German or Korea who's models you said we should follow?

This is embarrassing for you indeed
 
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If they want to be thus described.

Considering how much they all hate the US for destroying their country, my guess is that even the women consider themselves to be jihadists. Hatred is a strong motivator for humans.

Is your question an answer to mine? How again, are the Iraqi people, of whichever sect, the enemy of the US?



Mornin' HD. :2wave: They hated us even before we got involved. Only thing our interaction with them did.....was to increase their Hatred. Always having what one hates around them.....will do such.
 
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It looks to me like the USA always operates in the best interests of Western Energy CORPORATIONS and perhaps a little instability in Northern Iraq will serve the best interests of these same CORPORATIONS. That would be business as usual. I don't ascribe any virtuous moral intentions in the USA invasion and devastation of Iraq. Purely an Energy play, as in Libya, Syria, Afghanistan, Egypt, Ukraine, etc. Perhaps the CIA has financed and armed these jihadists from Syria to improve the bottom lines of Western Big Energy. The first result of this action is an instant increase in OIL prices. Gosh, is it possible this is not as simple as the Mainstream Media stenographers and presstitures would have us believe. Look behind the screen please.
 
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Remember those roof top helicopter retreats at the SVN embassy in 1975? Yea, due to repeat in 2014.
 
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When this is over Al Qaeda will control Iraq, Syria and Libya. At that point expect Iran to pull a Russia and invade southern Iraq to protect the Shi'a population.

Al Qaeda is on the run... across the middle east.
 
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So you don't want to answer that question eh?

You are making a fool of yourself with your baiting.
 
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When this is over Al Qaeda will control Iraq, Syria and Libya. At that point expect Iran to pull a Russia and invade southern Iraq to protect the Shi'a population.

Al Qaeda is on the run... across the middle east.

Much like with all the other recent foreign problems, this is probably not a good time to have an inexperienced Commander in charge of national defense, who is 99% focused on social justice. And a budget bureacrat in charge of the DoD.
 
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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.

I fail to see why the nationality of a fighting force makes any difference in its ability to defend a government. It would seem to me that a properly trained Iraqi could fight just as well as an American. Has it occurred to anyone that the Iraqi troops defending the current government actually want an islamic government, and are not, in fact, defending the current government at all? Remember that in Egypt they ousted Mubarak who was our guy and the muslim brotherhood took over. With Obama soon to be out of office, I sense an urgency in the middle east to get as many governments under islamic control as possible. This chance may never come again.

Think about it.
 
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You are making a fool of yourself with your baiting.

Just trying to get you to answer a simple question. Don't worry you already have...;)
 
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it's the Obama doctrine on display.
help insurgents take control of non-threatening countries by supporting them with u.s. air power (Egypt & Libya) ... and don't use u.s. air power to support a non-threatening country against insurgents.
works well, doncha think?
 
Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

it's the Obama doctrine on display.
help insurgents take control of non-threatening countries by supporting them with u.s. air power (Egypt & Libya) ... and don't use u.s. air power to support a non-threatening country against insurgents.
works well, doncha think?

There IS an agenda:

The Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has thrived and mutated in the security vacuum that followed the departure of the last U.S. forces from Iraq and the civil war in Syria.

Its aim is to create an Islamic state across Sunni areas of Iraq and in Syria.

ISIS: The first terror group to build an Islamic State? - CNN.com

Remember Obama sez 'we are not at war with islam.' This may be the first 'terror group' to build an islamic state, but it is certainly not the first nor the last 'group' to do so as we have witnessed over the last 6 years of the Obama administration. Go back and watch Obama's 'outreach' to the 'islamic world.' I think that speech was his signal to them to proceed. I believe Obama has been assisting the establishment of those islamic controlled governments.

Honestly, I don't know how you can force people who gave up on themselves 1000 years ago and really like living in the Dark Ages into the current millennium. I don't think it is possible. They have to WANT democracy.

We should be assisting the ones who do not want to live under islamic control into safe havens where they can live in freedom. And yes, there are Christians in those countries AND muslims who want to live like we do. Can they prevail? Apparently not.
 
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There IS an agenda:



ISIS: The first terror group to build an Islamic State? - CNN.com

Remember Obama sez 'we are not at war with islam.' This may be the first 'terror group' to build an islamic state, but it is certainly not the first nor the last 'group' to do so as we have witnessed over the last 6 years of the Obama administration. Go back and watch Obama's 'outreach' to the 'islamic world.' I think that speech was his signal to them to proceed. I believe Obama has been assisting the establishment of those islamic controlled governments.

Honestly, I don't know how you can force people who gave up on themselves 1000 years ago and really like living in the Dark Ages into the current millennium. I don't think it is possible. They have to WANT democracy.

We should be assisting the ones who do not want to live under islamic control into safe havens where they can live in freedom. And yes, there are Christians in those countries AND muslims who want to live like we do. Can they prevail? Apparently not.

Really, they dont matter anyway. The only important thing here is keeping terrorists from using local resources to attack US.
 
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If they want to be thus described.

Considering how much they all hate the US for destroying their country, my guess is that even the women consider themselves to be jihadists. Hatred is a strong motivator for humans.

Is your question an answer to mine? How again, are the Iraqi people, of whichever sect, the enemy of the US?

So, they love AQ for all the beheadings this week?
 
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