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Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

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Fenton said:
I thought Al Qaeda was " on the run "
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They are...in the wrong direction.
 
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Thom Paine said:
What else were we to expect? When politicians run a war (nation building) havoc reigns supreme during and after the action.

There is no panacea in this situation. ( can't say I don't have an eye for the obvious ) ... We might do well to keep this problem at arms length for the time being... Judging by history, Apparently, we are unable to track our money and arms distribution; this weeks ally may be next weeks enemy....

As I have stated before, it sometimes seems a good idea to turn the entire area into a parking lot and build a Walmart... (sarcastic rant off)

I feel a rant rumbling... I'll quit for now.

Every crystal ball gazer on the planet forecasted this or similar scenario.

Good day to ya' M

Thom Paine
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Well, Right now the real concern is Mosul International Airport.....also they already took the Provincial HQ with their Helicopter Pad. I was hoping the Helicopter wont be there.

They can't be allowed to grab Planes.
 
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Fenton said:
I thought Al Qaeda was " on the run "
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On the run ??? Hell ! They were decimated !! Isn't that what we were told ? ( maybe a recent definition change occurred while I wasn't looking.. Decimate, verb; to eat and take a nap before beginning anew ).

It must be true; the government said it.

Find something to smile about today

Thom Paine
 
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MMC said:
Heya Grip. :2wave: They still haven't taken the one in Beiji. Also BO is sending military equipment to help out with.
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If this Abu group gathers much more momentum, we'll have to directly intervene with troops.
 
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MMC said:
Well, Right now the real concern is Mosul International Airport.....also they already took the Provincial HQ with their Helicopter Pad. I was hoping the Helicopter wont be there.

They can't be allowed to grab Planes.
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I certainly agree with you on this point... I haven't checked lately, but, don't we have about 20,000 personnel still in Iraq? Maybe the Drone master will take care of that.

Thom Paine
 
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Profound Cowardice

Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities | World news | The Guardian


"Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers - roughly 30,000 men - simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting.""​


Terrorism works.
They did NOT want to be captured by these rebels.
 
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Thom Paine said:
I certainly agree with you on this point... I haven't checked lately, but, don't we have about 20,000 personnel still in Iraq? Maybe the Drone master will take care of that.

Thom Paine
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BO said less than 10k is there......plus AQ already has the city and all government facilities. Now they are pushing on towards Baghdad slowly but surely. Have to hope they don't take Beiji too.
 
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LowDown said:
Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
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Except of course 96% of the troop loss didn't occur AFTER the end of major military operations in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.... :roll:

Germany, Japan, and South Korea didn't have huge internal rifts that dated back to before flintlocks and these rifts are being fed by external agitators.

We couldn't afford 8 years in Iraq, no way we afford 'decades'.... The Iraqis could afford to wait, they could afford a war of attrition, they have always been there while over the millennia invaders have come and gone since literally the dawn of civilization. We Americans think microwaves are too slow, history is a glossy mirage that barely goes back 200 years.

Wouldn't matter how long any occupier stays in a 'host' nation, the natives will decide the outcome when ever the occupiers run out of money, determination, or think religious/political sects have suddenly settled centuries of mayhem.

Germany, Japan, and South Korea didn't have two major bitter rivals being fed by outside sources during the occupation.
 
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mbig said:
Profound Cowardice

Iraq army capitulates to Isis militants in four cities | World news | The Guardian


"Iraqi officials told the Guardian that two divisions of Iraqi soldiers - roughly 30,000 men - simply turned and ran in the face of the assault by an insurgent force of just 800 fighters. Isis extremists roamed freely on Wednesday through the streets of Mosul, openly surprised at the ease with which they took Iraq's second largest city after three days of sporadic fighting.""​


Terrorism works.
You don't want to be captured by these rebels. Oh No.
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Heya Mbig. :2wave: Here is a map......looks like the can take Beiji at will.


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MMC said:
Heya Mbig. :2wave: Here is a map......looks like the can take Beiji at will.


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The Middle of Iraq promises to be a Hell Hole in perpetuity.
That's what 'we'/the West/UK got for making 3 disparate provinces of the Ottoman Empire into a single country.
Then.... we tried to keep it one too!
It keeps getting worse.

"Tribes with Flags"
 
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We needed to keep permanant bases in all the major cities with all the colaltion forces. British forces should of set up a permnant base in Basra etc. Would of been a similar situation to Northern Ireland and there would of been losses however the region would of been stable.
 
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mbig said:
The Middle of Iraq promises to be a Hell Hole in perpetuity.
That's what 'we'/the West/UK got for making 3 disparate provinces of the Ottoman Empire into a single country.
Then.... we tried to keep it one too!
It keeps getting worse.

"Tribes with Flags"
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I haven't heard anything on the Airport. I looked up for Embassy Alerts too. See if State issued warnings to Americans to get out of that region. I think RM mentioned that they were directing flights away from Mosul now.
 
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Thom Paine said:
On the run ??? Hell ! They were decimated !! Isn't that what we were told ? ( maybe a recent definition change occurred while I wasn't looking.. Decimate, verb; to eat and take a nap before beginning anew ).

It must be true; the government said it.

Find something to smile about today

Thom Paine
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Thats right they were !!

Nothing to fear because Bin Laden's dead and GM's alive !

I think the US should seriously consider MY middle east plan for peace

I think they're just bored.

What if we dropped in special forces to build a few hundred Golf Courses ( great sand traps out there ), a few Water Parks and a a few Roller coaster here and there.

Give them something to do.
 
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But seriously, how long have we had bases in Germany, Japan and South Korea ?

The Iraqi withdrawal was politicized, a Presidential talking point.

The last time we bailed like this on a Country Vietnam turned Red.
 
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Fenton said:
I thought Al Qaeda was " on the run "
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They were never really on the run, if anything, our intervention and destabilization of the area has created an even more accomodating atmosphere for their propaganda and recruiting.
 
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PirateMk1 said:
I am not exactly sure, but I think we have not been there for a year or so. So I am pretty sure they knew we are not there whether not anything was said about the matter.
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I'm pretty sure America hasn't had troops in Iraq since early in Obama's first term. Bush signed a deal with the Iraqi government to retain troops on the ground until 2010 I believe, subject to renewal by the new administration and Obama was unable to secure a deal that would protect American troops from being subjected to Iraqi laws and so all troops left at the end of the Bush deal.
 
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iguanaman said:
What good would losing more men in a hopeless cause do? Destabilizing Iraq will rank among the biggest blunders of the 21 century. A half million Iraqi's have already been killed because of our actions.
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It was perfectly stable until we left.
 
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Britain and France redrew the map of the Middle East about a hundred years ago.

Now the some of the people who live there are redrawing it.

Who is going to stop them?
 
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Fenton said:
Thats right they were !!

Nothing to fear because Bin Laden's dead and GM's alive !

I think the US should seriously consider MY middle east plan for peace

I think they're just bored.

What if we dropped in special forces to build a few hundred Golf Courses ( great sand traps out there ), a few Water Parks and a a few Roller coaster here and there.

Give them something to do.
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YES !! Now that's the creative spirit in action..... 'n hey, it couldn't hurt tryin' ( before leveling the countryside ). Then we could try it in Detroit ( before leveling Detroit )...

Yep! 24 hour entertainment, a Costco, and Walmart... oh and a Subway sandwich shop in every minaret...

Even morbid humor helps a little.

:mrgreen:

Thom Paine
 
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grip said:
If this Abu group gathers much more momentum,
we'll have to directly intervene with troops.
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Says who?

looks like a good job for the UN to me.
 
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shrubnose said:
Says who?

looks like a good job for the UN to me.
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Psssh... the UN. About as good as tits on a bull.
 
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MMC said:
Heya Pirate :2wave: .....they have taken hostages in that Turk Embassy. So the Turks now have a chance to show why they should be part of NATO. Don't you think?
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there isnt a real turkish authority in this country..l believe we should stay independent and get out of nato
 
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Ockham said:
Psssh... the UN. About as good as tits on a bull.
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The good thing about letting the UN mishandle it is that gets the USA off the hook.

Look at the great job that the UN's doing in Syria.

I don't believe that anyone on this forum wants to go to Iraq to referee the full scale civil war that's about to happen there.

Just like in Syria no matter which side wins it's not going to be great news for the USA.
 
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