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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    I read where Nancy Pelosi weighed in on the situation and pretty much said whatever is happening in Iraq is not our problem. I think that pretty much sums up the mindset for many on the left side of the aisle and for the last six years their number one goal has been to cut and run on schedule regardless. They made it well known to the enemy their plans and it was just a matter of time the enemy knew it would have the green light to once more create havoc. The last six years it has been really sad to watch Iraq's opportunity to succeed diminish. But then again, when you have leadership like Nancy Pelosi making comments in 2006 that "Iraq isn't a war to be won" you pretty much knew it was slated to fail. We can chalk it up to another win for the terrorists. And for folks like Nancy Pelosi who thinks Iraq isn't our problem better think again. Because she and folks like her refused to support the war on terror while it was being fought over there, will soon find it being fought at their front door. Her open border immigration policies have already made us more vulnerable than ever to such attacks. It's just a matter of time.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Perhaps, Stalin was evil, but that didn't lead to armed conflict. We do not have to go around the world and try to stomp out every evil person or leader in the world.
    Bad example. Stalin died at the end of WW2. Otherwise there would have been a conflict given Russias expanisist policies. Im not saying we go stomping around the world, just saying eventually there will be conflict.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    And the other nations that successfully prosecuted a war with Afghanistan are......
    Pakistan, for example.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Hope huh. That sounds exactly like Bush's strategy for Iraq only he didn't mind the casualties like Obama.
    On the contrary. Bush's strategy for Iraq involved action, shaping events and setting the conditions necessary for the building and self-sustainment of security infrastructure. Hope as a strategy largely involves inaction, refusing to take the shaping actions necessary, and leaving the future in the hands of the good intentions of people whose goals may be antithetical to yours.

    You never answered my question about the possibility of us fighting side by side with Iran's Revolutionary Guard. How's that for strange bedfellows? What a twisted web we weave....
    It would be a strange thing, to be fighting against Iranian proxies in Syria, but with them in Iraq. As for that last bit, I don't think we've ever been deceptive of our intentions in the Middle East, mind you, because I don't think we know what our intentions are. We lack any kind of coherent national strategy or desired major endstates at this point - we are wholly reactive and not even particularly good at that.

    As for the idea of fighting with Iran, I am not so sure that the dichotomy you picture is wholly accurate. War is agreeably zero sum, and the extent to which we attack ISIL is, agreeably, to a large degree the extent to which we enable IRGC-QF / local affiliate operations against them. That does not mean that we have to "fight with them" - we can pursue our own priorities against ISIL.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    FDR ran in 1932 on a deficit cutting platform.
    Yet changed it once in office. Like I said, listened to the deficit scolds and took US back into the GOP depression in 1937 when he cut spending 10%. Look at ANY scale the US was slowly getting out of the depression until then.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Dong! Fail. Hans Blix. Talking points again? Sorry, but avoiding the facts isn't going to make this Prog/Lib meme any more factual. It's always been fun to read Blix's call that the inspections were going well. I guess if the standard is to be shut out of sites, and to be kicked out of the country are standards of excellence, he has a point. But really, not good for your meme.http://www.debatepolitics.com/newrep...y&p=1063401718



    Read the reports, or just continue to carry the water.
    Got it, we should listen to those that lied US into war the first time as they MIGHT be correct today? lol

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary. Bush's strategy for Iraq involved action, shaping events and setting the conditions necessary for the building and self-sustainment of security infrastructure.
    The Bush strategy was basically to provoke a civil war.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps it would be wise to read the reports, and the one's that followed, before continuing to prove you desire to embrace the Progressive memes rather than the facts.

    Focus on the ones where Iraqi officials refused access, and kicked out inspectors when they closed in on facilities their investigations indicated were suspicious.
    Got it, you're a neocon and will hold onto ANYTHING to justify the horrible decision to invade Iraq on false premises

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The Bush strategy was basically to provoke a civil war.
    No. That was the strategy of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the then-leader of the Islamist State in the Land of the Two Rivers. You really should not comment on matters where you know so little that you are forced to just make crap up.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No. That was the strategy of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the then-leader of the Islamist State in the Land of the Two Rivers. You really should not comment on matters where you know so little that you are forced to just make crap up.
    The Bush Administration paid Shia tribes and militants to attack the Sunni establishment.

    What could have gone wrong...?

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