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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    On the contrary - Obama was in charge of that particular cluster, just as he gets to deal with this particular cluster. Welcome to what the world looks like when America decides that all this foreign policy stuff is, like, annoying, and stuff, and like, we're going to, like, lead from behind, and stuff.
    Maybe where you are from but here in the real world......

    For months, U.S. and Iraqi officials had been negotiating the terms of an accord that would have kept several thousand U.S. troops in Iraq for special operations and training beyond the year-end deadline set by the George W. Bush administration.

    But Obama and Maliki, who have never developed much personal chemistry, failed to reach agreement on the legal status of U.S. troops who would stay in Iraq beyond Dec. 31. As a result, only a contingent of fewer than 200 Marines assigned to help protect the large U.S. Embassy compound in Baghdad will remain, along with a small number of other personnel to provide training related to new military sales and other tasks.
    All U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 - The Washington Post

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Malaki kicked us out. He said our soldiers would be tried in Iraqi courts if we stayed. Is that what you wanted?
    The Obama Administration put approximately zero effort into those negotiations. Failure to negotiate a simple SOFA isn't exactly an argument in his defense. Maliki didn't kick us out, we left.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Maybe where you are from but here in the real world......
    All U.S. troops to leave Iraq by the end of 2011 - The Washington Post
    That's fascinating. I had no idea that in the real world George Bush was still President of the United States in 2011.


    Seriously, the "blame Bush for Obama's Decisions" is the dumbest Blame Bush I've seen to date seriously argued. The best you could be able to do would be to blame the portion of his administration that failed that negotiation.

    Now gee, who was in charge of state-to-state negotiations for the U.S. at that time....
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    And we should listen to HIM why?
    Because he is leader of Iraq. We are his servants.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Because he is leader of Iraq. We are his servants.
    Yeah, okay.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Thats based upon the 2008 withdrawal agreement. I believe that Bush was still president back then.
    The plan turned over by the Bush administration and even technically pursued by the Obama administration contained a residual presence for some time. The Obama administration failed to negotiate a simple SOFA, forcing a full withdrawal by default.

    Regardless, the President in 2011 was Obama, not Bush. You can blame Bush for the way in which the war started all you like, but the way in which we withdrew is all Obama.


    Just like in Afghanistan. Where we are about to do the Same Dumb Thing and probably get the Same Damn Results.

    Thats what I read on the Fox News article.
    Oh. That's interesting.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    That's fascinating. I had no idea that in the real world George Bush was still President of the United States in 2011.


    Seriously, the "blame Bush for Obama's Decisions" is the dumbest Blame Bush I've seen to date seriously argued.
    The Bush Administration made the withdrawal agreement before Obama was President. Are you saying Bush was an idiot for going along with it? Why do you think we should have stayed there when we were not welcome? Do you think that Iraq is 'ours" now or something?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Bush Administration made the withdrawal agreement before Obama was President. Are you saying Bush was an idiot for going along with it? Why do you think we should have stayed there when we were not welcome? Do you think that Iraq is 'ours" now or something?
    I think it was tentative though, wasn't it?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The Bush Administration made the withdrawal agreement before Obama was President.
    And the plan for both Administrations included residual forces after the full combat units had withdrawn.

    Why do you think we should have stayed there when we were not welcome?
    According to the people we had negotiating on the ground for us, most Iraqi leadership actually wanted them to stay, but found it impossible to come to a deal with the United States because the Administration refused to even decide what it wanted. They couldn't even get a number of how many people they wanted to leave out of the White House, so they had nothing to negotiate over because they had nothing to negotiate with.

    The White House wanted Out Of Iraq, and so it let it die. Witness now the consequences of the notion that Hope is a Strategy.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Ah but we did go in there blessed by the democrats get over it...Its ancient history. The problem now is your daddy pulled the troops out before the job was done....Get that through your head.....Now this radical group is on its way to Baghdad and another Embassy is endangering of falling making Benghazi look like a first graders birthday party and Obama (the clueless one) is doing nothing.
    Sorry, 60% of Dems in Congress told Dubya to jump off a bridge... They voted no on his war of choice...

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