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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yawn. Yes, we leaned toward Iraq in their war with Iran. Wise policy. No. We did not provide VX to Iraq. Provision of anthrax was simply a countermeasure; that's how diseases work.
    In CONservative speak you say? In the REALITY based community, we say Reagan and Poppy Bush GAVE Iraq WMD's!

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Quite simply, BHO was given all the tools for an effective endgame, and squandered the opportunity.
    The Iraqis would not grant our forces immunity if we stayed. The Iraqis gave us the terms. Why do you not factor that into your equation.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But it is what happened prior that allowed those living in urban areas to experience an economic collapse that led to them leaving for work in rural areas on farms that had been bought on the cheap by the wealthy and introduced these people to the world of serfdom. The people allowed it to happen because they became complacent. They became an empire no longer able to defend their borders because they allowed their military to decline. Their currency collapsed. Their trade with the world had diminished. You can blame the leaders if you like but it was the people that allowed them to get away with it till it was to late change course.
    It's thought-provoking to realize that much of your post could have been written about current events!

    Greetings, Vesper.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Quite simply, BHO was given all the tools for an effective endgame, and squandered the opportunity.
    No, al-Maliki was given all the tools for an effective endgame, and he squandered them in favour of being a sectarian thug. ISIS is the chickens coming home to roost.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    In CONservative speak you say? In the REALITY based community, we say Reagan and Poppy Bush GAVE Iraq WMD's!
    Just agit-prop.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    That is pretty funny propaganda.
    February 9, 1994, Senator Riegle delivered a report -commonly known at the Riegle Report- in which it was stated that "pathogenic (meaning 'disease producing'), toxigenic (meaning 'poisonous'), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce." It added: "These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction."[29]

    The report then detailed 70 shipments (including Bacillus anthracis) from the United States to Iraqi government agencies over three years, concluding "It was later learned that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the UN inspectors found and recovered from the Iraqi biological warfare program."


    Riegle Report - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In a September 26, 2002, article entitled “Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail,” columnist Robert Novak wrote,

    An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.

    In a September 18, 2002, ABC article entitled “A Tortured Relationship,” reporter Chris Bury wrote,

    Indeed, even as President Bush castigates Saddam’s regime as “a grave and gathering danger,” it’s important to remember that the United States helped arm Iraq with the very weapons that administration officials are now citing as justification for Saddam’s forcible removal from power.

    In a March 16, 2003, article entitled “How Iraq Built Its Weapons Program,” in the St. Petersburg Times, staff writer Tom Drury wrote,

    Yet here we are, on the eve of what could turn into a $100-billion war to disarm and dismantle the Iraqi dictatorship. U.N. inspectors are working against the clock to figure out if Iraq retains chemical and biological weapons, the systems to deliver them, and the capacity to manufacture them.

    And here’s the strange part, easily forgotten in the barrage of recent rhetoric: It was Western governments and businesses that helped build that capacity in the first place. From anthrax to high-speed computers to artillery ammunition cases, the militarily useful products of a long list of Western democracies flowed into Iraq in the decade before its 1990 invasion of Kuwait.

    Unfortunately, the U.S.-WMD connection to Saddam Hussein involved more than just delivering those WMDs to him. In an August 18, 2002, New York Times article entitled “Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas,” Patrick E. Tyler wrote,

    Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob Hornberger

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Just agit-prop.

    Bet you think Sen McCarthy got a bad rap huh?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The Iraqis would not grant our forces immunity if we stayed. The Iraqis gave us the terms. Why do you not factor that into your equation.
    Because there were easy ways to negotiate around that. Maliki was just politicking for the home folks. He wanted us to stay and we knew that, but BHO wanted to exploit the opening to leave altogether.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    No, al-Maliki was given all the tools for an effective endgame, and he squandered them in favour of being a sectarian thug. ISIS is the chickens coming home to roost.

    Maliki wanted us us to stay.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Because there were easy ways to negotiate around that. Maliki was just politicking for the home folks. He wanted us to stay and we knew that, but BHO wanted to exploit the opening to leave altogether.
    Mind reader too huh?

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