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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A complete withdrawal was never envisioned.
    cite, please.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    I don't see what you think this proves. Your link talks about ONE report by Jihad operative.

    Here you are saying that there was not enough evidence of WMD and we should not have gone into Iraq.

    Yet, you present this Wiki article. So . . . what do you think George Bush should have done when he received that report?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    That is exactly what was found there. Sarin, most notably.
    THAT REAGAN SUPPLIED, AND WAS USELESS BY THAT POINT

    Don’t Believe the WMD Hype in ‘SEAL Target Geronimo’ | Danger Room | WIRED

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    cite, please.
    The fact that the BHO administration was negotiating a SOFA is proof enough.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    There WAS Reagan gave it to them, but it had LONG since degraded

    1/17/2005


    U.S. found no evidence WMD moved from Iraq
    No signs that weapons were smuggled, intelligence officials say

    But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never “a piece,” said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

    Officials: No signs WMD moved from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News

    The report's first conclusion points to widespread flaws in the October 2002 NIE, and attributes those flaws to failure by analysts in the intelligence community:

    Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community’s October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of the intelligence.

    Subsequent conclusions fault the intelligence community for failing to adequately explain to policymakers the uncertainties that underlay the NIE's conclusions, and for succumbing to "group think," in which the intelligence community adopted untested (and, in hindsight, unwarranted) assumptions about the extent of Iraq's WMD stockpiles and programs.

    Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    THE ACTUAL REPORT

    http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

    Investigators laid the possibility to rest last year. Charles Duelfer, the White House’s hand-picked W.M.D. investigator, found in a 92-page report that “no information gleaned from questioning Iraqis supported the possibility” that Saddam moved WMD to Syria.

    There is no “evidence” that shows the Duelfer report was wrong.

    Powerline Pushes WMD Conspiracy Theories | ThinkProgress
    All of these say basically the same things, that they didn't FIND anything. Not finding conclusive evidence does not mean they never existed. There is other evidence that I posted that shows plenty of evidence. Apparently, there are stock piles of weapons that have been RECENTLY discovered in Syria for which there is NO explanation. Where do you think those weapons came from? These are stockpiles that the government has allegedly been using against it's people.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Some people will never, ever acknowledge that the Iraq War was driven by a neoconservative agenda that preceded 9/11. They'll go to their graves thinking that the Bush Administration was simply duped by faulty intelligence.

    Project for the New American Century - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    "New Pearl Harbor"
    Section V of Rebuilding America's Defenses, entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force", includes the sentence: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor"

    ...

    PNAC role in promoting invasion of Iraq
    Commentators from divergent parts of the political spectrum––such as Democracy Now! and American Free Press, including Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Jody Williams and former Republican Congressmen Pete McCloskey and Paul Findley––voiced their concerns about the influence of the PNAC on the decision by President George W. Bush to invade Iraq.[46][47] Some have regarded the PNAC's January 16, 1998 letter to President Clinton, which urged him to embrace a plan for "the removal of Saddam Hussein’s regime from power,"[12] and the large number of members of PNAC appointed to the Bush administration as evidence that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was a foregone conclusion.[48]

    The television program Frontline, broadcast on PBS, presented the PNAC's letter to President Clinton as a notable event in the leadup to the Iraq war.[49]

    Media commentators have found it significant that signatories to the PNAC's January 16, 1998 letter to President Clinton (and some of its other position papers, letters, and reports) included such later Bush administration officials as Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, John Bolton, Richard Armitage, and Elliott Abrams.[29][37][40][49]

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    A complete withdrawal was never envisioned.

    On November 17, 2008, US and Iraqi officials signed a Security Agreement, often referred to as a Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA), stating that "All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011." The agreement also called for all U.S. combat forces to withdraw from Iraqi cities "no later than June 30, 2009."

    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/122074.pdf

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Again, this states that this person in the article believes that the evidence found was inconclusive. There are also satellite photos which show a lot of activity around that time with huge convoys heading to the borders with Lebanon and Syria, and there are witnesses who claim that there WERE WMDs.

    To try to say that there were definitely NOT WMD in Iraq before the invasion is just displaying ignorant partisanship. There MAY have been WMDs, and there IS evidence to suggest that.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    CIA and PDB mentioned AQ and the attacks at least 40 times from Jan 2001-Sept 2001...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yeah well, look who's doing the patrolling now, one fight and they laid their arms down and ran.
    This guy has it exactly right.

    Iraq veteran: This is not what my friends fought and died for - The Washington Post

    We are reaping the instability and increased threat to U.S. interests that we have sown through the failure of our endgame in Iraq and our indecisiveness in Syria. There is a clear lesson here for those contemplating a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan. Having given al-Qaeda a new lease on life in the Middle East, will we provide another base where it began, in Afghanistan and Pakistan?


    This is not the end state my friends fought for and died for.
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