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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Another 'victory' like BushII's and we are undone. Iraq was a failed state through out the BushII debacle, there was no victory, just a temporary drop in violence as the surge no one mentions took effect- a surge of US dollars into the Sunni areas of control to bribe the Arabs into curbing their kidnapping and terrorism for hire schemes.

    The Iraqi government was never functional, the Iraqi army never stood up. Many Iraqis defined themselves by religion than nationality. We could piss away lives and treasure in that desert until the 2nd Coming and democracy would never embrace the whole of Iraqi. We got a temporary halt to the violence toward American troops and a low boil on the religious fighting, but never got a victory...
    That's not true at all. The Iraqi elections are proof of that. People in Iraq WANT the freedom to determine the direction of their country. There are simply to many outside influences that continue to prevent that from being a reality. Why do Iraqi's hate the US so much? It's not because they don't want our flavor of freedom. It's not that they don't have many of the same values as we do. You know what it is? It is because they know we bring false hope. We come to their country, blow a bunch of stuff up, loose our resolve and then leave them with a blown up country and extremists. They don't want our help because they know it is no help at all.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    maybe.but you didnt.you let saddam **** these women for another ten years .
    I didn't. I am only one person. And one of the few that believed we should have gone all the way to Baghdad and took Saddam out the first time. I was scratching my head back then when I was a young teen, and I still continue to scratch my head today. If Im confused, you can only imagine the Iraqi's. They must think we are complete morons and I would not blame them.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I didn't. I am only one person. And one of the few that believed we should have gone all the way to Baghdad and took Saddam out the first time. I was scratching my head back then when I was a young teen, and I still continue to scratch my head today. If Im confused, you can only imagine the Iraqi's. They must think we are complete morons and I would not blame them.
    "you" is a nominative pronoun used to refer to both singular and plural "second" person.

    you (yourself ) may believe it was all about saddam.but it wasnt.saddam and many other dictators were Cia's close friends untill they create a danger .
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



    Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
    Yes, Iraq is falling. And we were there 10 years because..................?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    "you" is a nominative pronoun used to refer to both singular and plural "second" person.

    you (yourself ) may believe it was all about saddam.but it wasnt.saddam and many other dictators were Cia's close friends untill they create a danger .
    That's true. Not understanding why we supported him shows you don't understand geopolitics. Do you know why we "supported" Saddam? And then do you know why we stopped support for Saddam? If you understand geopolitics and know history, its an easy question to answer. But if you learned more rhetoric and propaganda rather then history and geopolitics, then the question itself probably wont make sense to you.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Yes, Iraq is falling. And we were there 10 years because..................?
    Yes, thanks to the current President it has been a waste.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yes, thanks to the current President it has been a waste.
    Are there any more ways he can sell us out? Just when I think there isn't he manages to come up with another way.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    That's true. Not understanding why we supported him shows you don't understand geopolitics. Do you know why we "supported" Saddam? And then do you know why we stopped support for Saddam? If you understand geopolitics and know history, its an easy question to answer. But if you learned more rhetoric and propaganda rather then history and geopolitics, then the question itself probably wont make sense to you.
    lest assume l dont know

    please tell me why you supported .have been waiting
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    And had we kept a modest advisory and reaction force in place, and sustained our leverage over the Iraqi government, this could all have been avoided.
    IF is the biggest word in the English language. Until we bribed the crap out of the Sunnis 200,000 troops couldn't keep a few 'dead-enders' from pushing Iraq to the brink of Civil War, what modest advisory and reaction force were you thinking of?

    What leverage are you referring to? The Kurds are separate, the Sunnis not participating, and the Shia aided by the Iranians (BushII could never stop Iran from interfering) engaged in not so petty corruption and power stacking. Seems a mighty small lever we have.

    Now the Iraqi government didn't want us to stay, didn't want US Forces immune from Iraqi law. Just how do you suggest we stay? Force the Iraqi government to roll over for us? Do you think that government would stand the powerful domestic outrage sure to rise up? You think the modest advisory and reaction force can counter the renewed violence against the government and 'occupiers'???

    Nothing would have been avoided, merely delayed with the added bonus of a kick in the prestige nads of our modest advisory and reaction force being run out of town.... shades of the last chopper out of Saigon...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    lest assume l dont know

    please tell me why you supported .have been waiting
    How did the US prevent Japan from completely conquering Korea and China? We sanctioned them by stopping the shipment of oil to them which caused so much trouble, they attacked us. How did the US and its allies defeat Germany? By sanctioning them and stopping the shipment of oil. I have read several books written from the German side of that war and there was always a shortage of oil because they were cut off from the world supply. That is why they were so interested in invading Africa which is rich in resources. Whoever controls the oil, wins the war. How did the US defeat the USSR? Sanctions.. We starved them to death. It became more and more expensive for them to keep up with the military expansion of the US.

    And why were so many of these wars won by the US. Because we supported dictators in the ME. If we did not support them, Japan, Germany or the USSR would have been happy to support them.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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