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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    I know, those pesky details like CONservatives ALWAYS on the wrong side of history...Invasion of Iraq, for example, while ONLY 60% of Dems voted against Bush's war of choice, Bet 98% of the progressive caucus did
    A minor in history is, well, so minor. In any case,you've made a rookie mistake assuming I'm a conservative.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Another point, our intelligence SUCKS. That is why 9/11 happened.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Yeah well, look who's doing the patrolling now, one fight and they laid their arms down and ran.
    Because we're not there.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Do you realize that it was GWB who set the timeline for withdrawal of American troops, and not Obama? The agreement to withdraw troops from Iraq was reached in 2008.
    A complete withdrawal was never envisioned.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Dr. Blix, welcome back to "LATE EDITION." Congratulations on the new book.

    And one of the key points you make in the book, and we'll get right to it, is that the war really wasn't justified; that the inspections at the time a year ago were going well.

    You write this: "I felt the armed action taken was not in line with what the Security Council had decided five months earlier. Had there been any denials of access, any cat-and-mouse play? No. Had the inspections been going well? Yes. True, they had not resolved any of the open disarmament issues, but in my view, they had gone much too well to be abandoned to justify war."

    Transcript of the Interview with IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei and Dr. Hans Blix, Former Head of UNMOVIC

    Transcript: Director General's CNN Interview - 21 March 2004
    That is old from 2004.

    How do you explain the stockpiles found in Syria? There is also this WikiLeaks report below. Of course, there was nothing conclusive, but trace evidence. I don't think any of us can say whether Saddam had chemical weapons or not. He had in the past, and he didn't hesitate to use them either.


    WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | WIRED

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Here is a VERY interesting article that I urge you all to read. It gives points from both perspectives, that there were or were not WMD in Iraq. It certainly seems plausible to me.

    Did Syria Receive Its Chemical Weapons from Saddam? - The Wire

    There WAS Reagan gave it to them, but it had LONG since degraded

    1/17/2005


    U.S. found no evidence WMD moved from Iraq
    No signs that weapons were smuggled, intelligence officials say

    But intelligence and congressional officials say they have not seen any information — never “a piece,” said one — indicating that WMD or significant amounts of components and equipment were transferred from Iraq to neighboring Syria, Jordan or elsewhere.

    Officials: No signs WMD moved from Iraq - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - Conflict in Iraq | NBC News

    The report's first conclusion points to widespread flaws in the October 2002 NIE, and attributes those flaws to failure by analysts in the intelligence community:

    Most of the major key judgments in the Intelligence Community’s October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate (NIE), Iraq’s Continuing Programs for Weapons of Mass Destruction, either overstated, or were not supported by, the underlying intelligence reporting. A series of failures, particularly in analytic trade craft, led to the mischaracterization of the intelligence.

    Subsequent conclusions fault the intelligence community for failing to adequately explain to policymakers the uncertainties that underlay the NIE's conclusions, and for succumbing to "group think," in which the intelligence community adopted untested (and, in hindsight, unwarranted) assumptions about the extent of Iraq's WMD stockpiles and programs.

    Senate Report on Pre-war Intelligence on Iraq - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    THE ACTUAL REPORT

    http://www.intelligence.senate.gov/phaseiiaccuracy.pdf

    Investigators laid the possibility to rest last year. Charles Duelfer, the White House’s hand-picked W.M.D. investigator, found in a 92-page report that “no information gleaned from questioning Iraqis supported the possibility” that Saddam moved WMD to Syria.

    There is no “evidence” that shows the Duelfer report was wrong.

    Powerline Pushes WMD Conspiracy Theories | ThinkProgress

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post

    Certainly, I would feel much better about the whole fiasco if there was some evidence that there had been chemical weapons over there, even if he wasn't planning on using them.
    That is exactly what was found there. Sarin, most notably.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Interesting that they claim there was no insider information of such transfers, because there actually was.
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    Where's that claim made?
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    In the link I provided to you.
    You did not provide a link to where "they" [presumably the USIC] made the claim that "there was no insider information of such transfers."
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Do you realize that it was GWB who set the timeline for withdrawal of American troops, and not Obama? The agreement to withdraw troops from Iraq was reached in 2008.
    This guy has it exactly right.

    Iraq veteran: This is not what my friends fought and died for - The Washington Post

    We are reaping the instability and increased threat to U.S. interests that we have sown through the failure of our endgame in Iraq and our indecisiveness in Syria. There is a clear lesson here for those contemplating a complete withdrawal of U.S. troops from Afghanistan. Having given al-Qaeda a new lease on life in the Middle East, will we provide another base where it began, in Afghanistan and Pakistan?


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    That is old from 2004.

    How do you explain the stockpiles found in Syria? There is also this WikiLeaks report below. Of course, there was nothing conclusive, but trace evidence. I don't think any of us can say whether Saddam had chemical weapons or not. He had in the past, and he didn't hesitate to use them either.


    WikiLeaks Show WMD Hunt Continued in Iraq – With Surprising Results | Danger Room | WIRED
    Got it, You'll hold onto myths, distortions and LIES about WMD's


    First: Think about it for a second. Strategically and militarily, it made no sense for Saddam to transfer his weapons of mass destruction to Syria. Saddam worked on acquiring WMD for a reason: to stave off an invasion and hold on to power.

    Just listen to a defeated Saddam for a second. In a post-invasion interview, Saddam admitted that he had been bluffing about his WMD. This is actually case-closed for the conspiracy theories about his weapons transfers.

    No, Syria Doesn’t Have Saddam’s Chemical Weapons | Danger Room | WIRED


    Don’t Believe the WMD Hype in ‘SEAL Target Geronimo’

    Start with all that Iraqi WMD that U.S. forces found. Pfarrer gasps over an Explosive Ordnance Disposal unit’s 2003 discovery of an artillery shell filled with the nerve agent sarin, part of an early homemade bomb. To Pfarrer, that bomb would have “spread a mortal, invisible cloud over a dozen city blocks” where “death would have come quickly for ten thousand Iraqi civilians living near the airport and three thousand coalition troops stationed at nearby Camp Victory.” If two of those sarin-laced bombs went off in a crowded football stadium, it would have caused more casualties than “those suffered by the United States during the entire Vietnam War.” His emphasis.

    Absolutely none of this is plausible. You’re talking about a piece of steel that needs to survive being fired out of an artillery piece, and then burst apart by explosives in order to disseminate the chemicals inside. Much of the chemical material is destroyed in the process.

    Don’t Believe the WMD Hype in ‘SEAL Target Geronimo’ | Danger Room | WIRED

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