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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    That flies in the face of all the anti-USA Dumbocrats and various other lefty miscreants who said the opposite.*finger*
    Yes, because WE didn't find them, they never ever existed, even though there was also evidence of strange chemical compounds found in soil where some "factories" had been bombed. There was also other evidence that there was chemical weapon stock piles at one time in Iraq anyway.

    I just can't understand how anyone could absolutely dismiss the idea. It seems plausible to me. Personally, with some of the evidence I've seen, I don't blame the president and congress for voting to attack. It was right after 9/11, and there IS some convincing evidence. There was another "secret agent" who was character assassinated who had also testified to the existence of WMD, so given all of this information, and the newest information, I really don't know what to believe.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Anyways, there is a LOT of circumstantial evidence that would lead one to believe that Saddam Hussein most definitely had WMD, IMO. And with the newest information about extra weapons reported in Syria's stockpile of chemical/WMD, what is one to think about that?
    Whether or not Hussein had WMD, the best judgment of the US intel community was that Iraq was not going to attack us directly nor by proxy.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Interesting that they claim there was no insider information of such transfers...
    Where's that claim made?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Whether or not Hussein had WMD, the best judgment of the US intel community was that Iraq was not going to attack us directly nor by proxy.
    Was it US that they were worried about? What about Israel, or for them to use them just make the region unstable. Let's not also forget, that we had TOLD him that if he did not cooperate with the UN inspectors, we were coming over there, and that's what we did.

    Certainly, I would feel much better about the whole fiasco if there was some evidence that there had been chemical weapons over there, even if he wasn't planning on using them.

    Another point, our intelligence SUCKS. That is why 9/11 happened.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Where's that claim made?
    In the link I provided to you.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Where's that claim made?
    Hello?

    General Georges Hormiz Sada (aka Gewargis or George Hormis; Arabic: كوركيس هرمز ساده, Syriac: ܓܘܪܓܝܣ ܗܪܡܙ ܣܕܐ; born 1939?) is an Iraqi of ethnic Assyrian descent, an author, former Iraqi National Security Advisor and retired general officer of the Iraqi Air Force.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So you choose to feed the fire that surrounds you? Cool.
    Dr. Blix, welcome back to "LATE EDITION." Congratulations on the new book.

    And one of the key points you make in the book, and we'll get right to it, is that the war really wasn't justified; that the inspections at the time a year ago were going well.

    You write this: "I felt the armed action taken was not in line with what the Security Council had decided five months earlier. Had there been any denials of access, any cat-and-mouse play? No. Had the inspections been going well? Yes. True, they had not resolved any of the open disarmament issues, but in my view, they had gone much too well to be abandoned to justify war."

    Transcript of the Interview with IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei and Dr. Hans Blix, Former Head of UNMOVIC

    Transcript: Director General's CNN Interview - 21 March 2004

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    It reminds me much how the Roman Empire became right before the big fall. The people no longer had the stomach to fight and protect their interests. They got lazy too and left it to others which came back to bite them.
    We read different history books... mine said Roman society became the rich elite, small tenant farmers/craftsmen, and the serf/slave cast, none wanted to die for the Empire, the former because they were 'too important' and the latter two because it gained them nothing.

    Those in power- politicians, generals and aristocrats- were so busy fighting for power they turned their backs on everything but pursuit of the throne or 'ambition'. They had a very arrogant worldview that saw every non-roman as barbarians, thus inferior.

    The legions, once a symbol of Roman Might, became an Emperor maker or breaker... huge bribes to keep the Officers an ally, the men willing to kill their fellow citizens to make or remove an Emperor....

    The masses that once flocked to the Eagle, even after a huge massacre such as Cannae, or Teutoburg Forest, now were disgusted by what that Eagle represented.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

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    You will NEVER be honest. Got it. Rushbo is one of the leaders of the GOP....
    Really? What position does he hold on the RNC?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    This certainly doesn't mean he was lying about WMD in Iraq. I'm not saying that I know one way or other, but when taking ALL of the evidence together, it is pretty hard to say that there wasn't some shady activity going on in Iraq in 2003, before the war. I think that anyone who just rules it out, while ignoring the evidence otherwise is kind of ignorant.
    Transcript of the Interview with IAEA Director General Mohamed ElBaradei and Dr. Hans Blix, Former Head of UNMOVIC

    HANS BLIX, FORMER U.N. CHIEF WEAPONS INSPECTOR: Well, I think it's clear that in March when the invasion took place the evidence that had been brought forward was rapidly falling apart. And we had called attention to a number of the points.

    One was that there was a tendency on the U.S. administration to say that anything that was unaccounted for existed, whether it was sarin, or mustard gas or anthrax.

    Another one related to the case that Colin Powell presented to the Security Council about a site in which they held that there had been chemical weapons and that they had seen decontamination trucks. Our inspectors had been there and they had taken a lot of samples, and there was no trace of any chemicals or biological things. And the trucks that we had seen were water trucks.

    And, of course, the more spectacular of all was what my friend Mohamed revealed in the Security Council, namely that the alleged contract by Iraq with Niger to import yellow cake, that is uranium oxide, that this was a forgery, and the document had been sitting with the CIA and their U.K. counterparts for a long while, and they had not discovered it. And I think it took the IAEA a day to discover that it was a forgery.

    Transcript: Director General's CNN Interview - 21 March 2004

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