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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Well, he did take us into the place and destabilized it.
    Yeah! Thats right! Those dead troops are great political fodder.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Yeah! Thats right! Those dead troops are great political fodder.
    I wouldn't compare dead bodies as political fodder. Sad to see that someone could go that low though.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    HOW do you expect Iraq policy to EVER work? Seriously? Bad from the get go. He is doing the best to extract US from Dubya's HUGE mistake...
    I just wonder why anyone thinks that the POTUS should have an Iraq policy, or a France policy, or a Canada policy.

    The president of the US is not the president of the world. I would think that just dealing with issues that directly effect the US would be ample enough responsibility without trying to govern the entire world.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    You are talking about going to war on 2.2 billion Muslims.


    That is insane
    We're already at war with them, incase you missed the last few decades.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Just basing my posts on what we found after rummaging around in Iraq for a few years.
    Presumably, our Intelligence Community was aware of the WaTime article you mentioned.

    Re-posting a re-posted post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062268490

    What the best info currently available re the WMD to Syria theory says.

    Addendums to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD (pdf) page1 (page 4 of the pdf)
    ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi officials , examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve.
    The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a flexibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq—at least when there was considerable profit for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined. There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation.
    ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be noted that no information from debriefing of Iraqis in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria.
    Nevertheless, given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG analysts believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation.
    It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely that conclusive information would have been found.
    At best, barring discovery of original documentary evidence of the transfer, reports or sources may have been substantiated or negated, but firm conclusions on actual WMD movements may not be possible.
    Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.
    Note that "WMD-related materials" ≠ WMDs
    Interesting that they claim there was no insider information of such transfers, because there actually was. The question is, how trustworthy is this person? We know he wanted to sell a book, but it seems like there is quite a GOOD possibility, IMO, that Iraq moved their weapons around.

    After he retired Sada was living a quiet life in Iraq, but when after 2003 Invasion of Iraq by the United States armed forces, Sada sided with the US government in their invasion of Iraq and aided in the fight against Saddam Hussein. During the invasion of Iraq, Sada served as spokesman for the interim leader Iyad Allawi, and he was appointed as National Security Advisor.

    In August 2004 Sada announced that he would be signing a bill to introduce the death penalty in Iraq. The bill introduces the death penalty for anyone who is "threatening national security". (on al-Jazeera)

    On January 24, 2006, he announced the publication of a book he had written entitled Saddam's Secrets: How an Iraqi General Defied And Survived Saddam Hussein, with the tagline "An insider exposes plans to destroy Israel, hide WMD's and control the Arab world."[1] Sada, the former Air Vice-Marshal under Hussein, appeared the following day on Fox News' Hannity & Colmes, where he discussed his book and reported that other pilots told him that Hussein had ordered them to fly portions of the WMD stockpiles to Damascus in Syria just prior to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq. After the release of his book, Sada was interviewed by Fox News, and he stated:

    "Well, I want to make it clear, very clear to everybody in the world that we had the weapon of mass destruction in Iraq, and the regime used them against our Iraqi people...I know it because I have got the captains of the Iraqi airway that were my friends, and they told me these weapons of mass destruction had been moved to Syria. Iraq had some projects for nuclear weapons but it was destroyed in 1981".

    When asked during his interview with Fox News if there was any chance that there were nuclear weapons or on their way to nuclear weapons when USA invaded, he said "Not in Iraq". Sada made a guest appearance on The Daily Show on March 21, 2006 to promote Saddam's Secrets. His (Sada's) claims, though, tend to contradict the findings of the Duelfer Report, which "judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place," though analysts were unable to rule out the possibility.
    Georges Sada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    "1998"

    lol
    So you choose to feed the fire that surrounds you? Cool.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    I guess Bush found the WMD's right? Oh...
    Anything else, or is this just the trapped by facts response?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    I wouldn't want to take the risk that it would be my side that get's wiped out. What would the point of that be?
    Coin the phrase "**** or get off the pot".

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    And even if we won, then would we be any better off? Would humanity be any better off after enduring WW3?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Didn't you read the article I posted? Just going to ignore valid information so that you keep Obama slurping?

    Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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    John A. Shaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Although persistently repeated in neoconservative blogs regarding Syrian chemical weapons throughout 2012, Shaw's claims were dismissed for lack of evidence in 2005. At that time, the Iraq Survey Group formed a special working group to investigate and consider these and other claims of Iraqi WMDs. Charles Duelfer, head of inspectorate at time of publication, summarized the group's conclusion in the Duelfer Report: "Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place."

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    Shaw was suspected of attempting to steer contracts in Iraq to friends and business associates. He made several unauthorized trips to Iraq, during which he illegally gained access to a U.S. facility. He then urged officials to fix the problems he had 'uncovered' by directing multimillion dollar contracts to companies of friends and associates using a rigged or no-bid process. The companies were Nana Pacific and SSA Marine. Soon after Shaw's illegal entry into the port facility, Nana Pacific was granted a contract worth up to $70 million to reconstruct the facility. Nana subcontracted $3.5 million in dredging work to SSA Marine.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    About Shaw


    The guy pimping the WMD to Syria story says that the United States' Defense Intelligence Agency thinks the story is B.S.


    About Jack Shaw, Another Presenter at the Summit
    Mr. Shaw said he acquired his intel about Iraq's WMD going to Syria from a "good friend" of Dick Cheney's and that this info was derided by the DIA as "Israeli disinformation." After the Shaw launched the story, the Fox news reported "it isn't clear how this person has the authority or the knowledge to speak on such a matter."

    In the recent past, it seemed that Jack Shaw did some illegal and questionable things. But, then a DoD press release seemed to have cleared him. Subsequently, the exonerating press release had to be pulled because "information has become available that indicates it may not have been accurate at the time it was issued. The matter is under review to determine the facts and circumstances involving the information contained in the original release."
    AFAICT, the DoD page revoking the exoneration was last updated 2005-08-25.

    Coincidentally, the previously cited article about what prompted the FBI to investigate the actions of Mr. Shaw mentioned the port of Umm al Qasr. At the Summit, Mr. Shaw also mentioned port of Umm al Qasr. He said there were floodable storage areas in Qasr that had held WMD. He also said that in Umm al Qasr, the Soviets loaded Iraqi WMD onto ships so as to sink the weapons and possibly other untold evidence in the depths of the Indian Ocean.
    19 Feb 2006 by Simon W. Moon


    http://irrationallyinformed.com/aud...aelidisinfo.wav[about 53 mb]

    Starting about 45 sec in he begins to talk about shopping the WMD to Syria story to the DIA. He says the DIA told him that the WMD to Syria thing is "Israeli disinformation."[around the 60 second mark] He then says that there was an effort to discredit him and the people associated with the story even though one of them was one of "the Vice Presidents very best friends." [around the two minute mark]
    Interesting. I see that there are several witnesses (questionable ones, but witnesses nonetheless), and there are also satellite photos of convoys moving SOMETHING in Iraq to Syria and Lebanon. Yet, the evidence is inconclusive.

    FLASHBACK: Where did Saddam's WMD go? To Syria ... - World Tribune | World Tribune

    Now, forward to 2014 and they have found EXTRA chemical weapons in Syria, Russia says more than what they had inventoried, and those are Russian weapons.

    I don't know what happened or if there were actually weapons in Iraq, but it certainly isn't out of the question, nor is it unbelievable that they would have been moving things around to avoid the inspections.

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