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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    One of these days, they'll find those WMDs. Then it will all have been worth it.
    Didn't you read the article I posted? Just going to ignore valid information so that you keep Obama slurping?

    Mr. Shaw noted that U.N. inspectors who surveyed the site of the Aug. 21 Syrian chemical weapons attack near Damascus found an intact rocket motor inscribed with Cyrillic writing, indicating the delivery system was Russian in origin.

    Mr. Shaw said Syria’s stockpile of chemical weapons — about 1,000 tons of nerve and blister agents — is estimated to be 50 percent larger than it was in 2003.
    “My people on the ground definitively tracked the Russian movement of Iraqi [chemical weapons] and high explosives to three locations in Syria and two in Lebanon in 2003,
    ” Mr. Shaw told Inside the Ring.
    Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Interesting, because I've read about this below, and also I've heard about some satellite images that were captured prior to the war of some suspicious activity involving large convoys in Iraq that appeared to be moving things.
    I can't say what is the truth. All I know is that I sure wouldn't be surprised if there had been chemical weapons of mass destruction in Iraq that were moved prior to the war. I don't know why anyone would find that difficult to believe.
    Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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    Just basing my posts on what we found after rummaging around in Iraq for a few years.
    Presumably, our Intelligence Community was aware of the WaTime article you mentioned.

    Re-posting a re-posted post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062268490

    What the best info currently available re the WMD to Syria theory says.

    Addendums to the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq’s WMD (pdf) page1 (page 4 of the pdf)
    ISG formed a working group to investigate the possibility of the evacuation of WMD-related material from Iraq prior to the 2003 war. This group spent several months examining documents, interviewing former Iraqi officials , examining previous intelligence reports, and conducting some site investigations. The declining security situation limited and finally halted this investigation. The results remain inconclusive, but further investigation may be undertaken when circumstances on the ground improve.
    The investigation centered on the possibility that WMD materials were moved to Syria. As is obvious from other sections of the Comprehensive Report, Syria was involved in transactions and shipments of military and other material to Iraq in contravention of the UN sanctions. This indicated a flexibility with respect to international law and a strong willingness to work with Iraq—at least when there was considerable profit for those involved. Whether Syria received military items from Iraq for safekeeping or other reasons has yet to be determined. There was evidence of a discussion of possible WMD collaboration initiated by a Syrian security officer, and ISG received information about movement of material out of Iraq, including the possibility that WMD was involved. In the judgment of the working group, these reports were sufficiently credible to merit further investigation.
    ISG was unable to complete its investigation and is unable to rule out the possibility that WMD was evacuated to Syria before the war. It should be noted that no information from debriefing of Iraqis in custody supports this possibility. ISG found no senior policy, program, or intelligence officials who admitted any direct knowledge of such movement of WMD. Indeed, they uniformly denied any knowledge of residual WMD that could have been secreted to Syria.
    Nevertheless, given the insular and compartmented nature of the Regime, ISG analysts believed there was enough evidence to merit further investigation.
    It is worth noting that even if ISG had been able to fully examine all the leads it possessed, it is unlikely that conclusive information would have been found.
    At best, barring discovery of original documentary evidence of the transfer, reports or sources may have been substantiated or negated, but firm conclusions on actual WMD movements may not be possible.
    Based on the evidence available at present, ISG judged that it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place. However, ISG was unable to rule out unofficial movement of limited WMD-related materials.
    Note that "WMD-related materials" ≠ WMDs
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by imagep View Post
    Who says things are going to hell?

    Maybe they are in Iraq, but isn't that pretty standard there?

    The US president is only in charge of the US, not other countries.
    He's not even in charge in the US!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Didn't you read the article I posted? Just going to ignore valid information so that you keep Obama slurping?
    Read more: Inside the Ring: Syria, Iraq and weapons of mass destruction - Washington Times
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    About Shaw


    The guy pimping the WMD to Syria story says that the United States' Defense Intelligence Agency thinks the story is B.S.


    About Jack Shaw, Another Presenter at the Summit
    Mr. Shaw said he acquired his intel about Iraq's WMD going to Syria from a "good friend" of Dick Cheney's and that this info was derided by the DIA as "Israeli disinformation." After the Shaw launched the story, the Fox news reported "it isn't clear how this person has the authority or the knowledge to speak on such a matter."

    In the recent past, it seemed that Jack Shaw did some illegal and questionable things. But, then a DoD press release seemed to have cleared him. Subsequently, the exonerating press release had to be pulled because "information has become available that indicates it may not have been accurate at the time it was issued. The matter is under review to determine the facts and circumstances involving the information contained in the original release."
    AFAICT, the DoD page revoking the exoneration was last updated 2005-08-25.

    Coincidentally, the previously cited article about what prompted the FBI to investigate the actions of Mr. Shaw mentioned the port of Umm al Qasr. At the Summit, Mr. Shaw also mentioned port of Umm al Qasr. He said there were floodable storage areas in Qasr that had held WMD. He also said that in Umm al Qasr, the Soviets loaded Iraqi WMD onto ships so as to sink the weapons and possibly other untold evidence in the depths of the Indian Ocean.
    19 Feb 2006 by Simon W. Moon


    http://irrationallyinformed.com/aud...aelidisinfo.wav[about 53 mb]

    Starting about 45 sec in he begins to talk about shopping the WMD to Syria story to the DIA. He says the DIA told him that the WMD to Syria thing is "Israeli disinformation."[around the 60 second mark] He then says that there was an effort to discredit him and the people associated with the story even though one of them was one of "the Vice Presidents very best friends." [around the two minute mark]
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You think gas prices are high now, you ain't seen nothing yet.
    I think gas prices need to stop being subsidized by US via military. If it was $10 a gallon, perhaps we would be getting 100 mpg today...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He's not even in charge in the US!
    Hmm, that's funny, another conservative was just telling me that he is a dictator. Now which is it?
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    I see a big problem with the idea that whatever the majority wants is OK.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I suggest you reconsider who needs to improve on honesty:

    IAEA and Iraq - Global Special Weapons - Nuclear, Biological Chemical and Missile Proliferation News

    As I wrote, this Proglet meme is really quite hysterical. I suppose the void needs to be filled with something, no matter how great the fantasy.
    "1998"

    lol

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    I think gas prices need to stop being subsidized by US via military. If it was $10 a gallon, perhaps we would be getting 100 mpg today...
    Nothing should be subsidized - ever.

    So yea. Although I don't agree that our wars in the middle east result in lower gas prices.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So the reports by the IAEA to the UN prior to the invasion are lies? Love to view some proof of that. These Proglet memes are really quite hysterical.


    I guess Bush found the WMD's right? Oh...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    AGAIN ...... so exactly how is Obama's Iraq policy working?
    You answer the same way again and we'll know you're flummoxed again.
    Keep that in mind.
    HOW do you expect Iraq policy to EVER work? Seriously? Bad from the get go. He is doing the best to extract US from Dubya's HUGE mistake...

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