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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Iraq asks the US to bomb them now. And people say there hasn't been progress.
    Well at this point the Iraqi leadership knows that the US is all that stands between them and a butcher's knife.

    But with the US dithering they are now reaching out to Iran.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    But that does nothing to liberate the cities.
    If you catch their main body in the open and kill them all, they won't have the combat power to hold the cities.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    But that does nothing to liberate the cities.
    The United States has several options available, but none of them are any good.

    1) do nothing

    2)pressure al-Maliki to reform his government.

    3) support the Kurds

    4) increase millitary aid to the Iraqi government

    5)launch air strikes againist the ISIS

    6) cooperate with Iran's cooperation with the Iraqi government

    Or

    7) reinvade Iraq

    None of these options are good.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If you catch their main body in the open and kill them all, they won't have the combat power to hold the cities.
    Assuming there is an opposing force willing to retake the cities...
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Well at this point the Iraqi leadership knows that the US is all that stands between them and a butcher's knife.

    But with the US dithering they are now reaching out to Iran.
    We should send Russia to handle it.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The United States has several options available, but none of them are any good.

    1) do nothing
    2)pressure al-Maliki to reform his government.
    Why? This attack isn't about government reform.

    3) support the Kurds
    Amen. They are the best US ally in Iraq.

    4) increase military aid to the Iraqi government
    Necessary.

    5)launch air strikes againist the ISIS
    Necessary.

    6) cooperate with Iran's cooperation with the Iraqi government
    Not acceptable.

    Or

    7) reinvade Iraq
    I agree, for now, that that isn't the best option. The better option would have been to keep forces in the country in the first place a la Korea, Japan and Germany

    None of these options are good.
    I think a combination of a few of them would be good. If we can assist the Iraqi forces with logistics and air support to retake their country and destroy ISIS then we could go back to the Iraqi leadership and negotiate the force agreement we always should have had in Iraq with long term troop deployments.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    During my high school years, 1967-1971, my Dad was still on the "team", with his TDYs to Vietnam.
    What I remember the most about those years--the number 300--the number of soldiers dying each week.
    And then my older buddies coming home all messed up in more ways than I care to remember-
    And then being dissed by civilians AND VFW-type groups.
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    Oh, NOW yall want to join the team!
    I have always been on the ****ing team, since the day I was born on an Air Force Base outside of London in 1953.
    I have always felt guilty for being too young and seeing what my older friends came back as--just sayin.
    My best buddy would describe how he was ordered to set perimeter claymores at night--brilliant huh.

    Listen to what brother MMC is saying.
    We are all in this together.
    Christians in the USA, such as Obama says he is, should be praying for him and our Military as we are on the brink of another "police" action .
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    We should send Russia to handle it.
    If we could wave our hand and make other countries do the right thing the world would be a better place.

    To Russia's credit I think they did choose to back the least terrible side in Syria.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Why? This attack isn't about government reform.



    Amen. They are the best US ally in Iraq.



    Necessary.



    Necessary.



    Not acceptable.

    Or



    I agree, for now, that that isn't the best option. The better option would have been to keep forces in the country in the first place a la Korea, Japan and Germany



    I think a combination of a few of them would be good. If we can assist the Iraqi forces with logistics and air support to retake their country and destroy ISIS then we could go back to the Iraqi leadership and negotiate the force agreement we always should have had in Iraq with long term troop deployments.
    The problem with supporting the Kurds is that it would be interprated as a signal that the United States has lost faith in Baghdads ability to lead. It would further inflame the secrataraian violence in Iraq. Also we would be upsetting the Turkish government, who already have problems with the idea of a independent Kurdistan.

    Military aid does not work if the Iraqi army runs away, and the weapons could be used by the terrorists.

    Airstrikes are not a long term solution and it runs the risk of killing civilians.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So what is this lost cause you are surrendering? Support for the democratic state of Iraq or the opposition to an ISIS Caliphate?
    Surrendering?

    Iraq = lost cause.

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