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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

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    Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



    Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
    I agree completely. Who did not see this coming? Ever since Vietnam our country has failed miserably on the world stage when it comes to containing rouge elements. We are slowly reverting back to Pre-WW1 isolationist status thanks to the anti-war and feminists. It will take another WW1/WW2 for the US to get back on track unfortunately. The tension in the ME is building while we retreat back behind our boarders. If we had stayed in Iraq we would have been in a prime location to avert ME aggression. The same plan has worked for 50+years in Asia. Locate a base in the middle of all the hot spots and tell all of them to behave. Doing so has allowed Asia to become one of the fastest growing economic regions of the world. Our association with them has also likewise grown the US economy exponentially.

    Never listen to an anti-war/feminist crowd the best way to handle international relations. Doing so would be a grave mistake.

    But what we could do is deport all he anti-war and feminist groups to the ME to destroy their countries..
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Wait a minute! I thought the Iraqis loved Johnny Jihad and hate us. The Iraqis don't seem to want a damn thing to do with the jihadists.

    Al-Qaeda rebels take Tikrit, force 500,000 to flee Mosul « Hot Air
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I agree completely. Who did not see this coming? Ever since Vietnam our country has failed miserably on the world stage when it comes to containing rouge elements. We are slowly reverting back to Pre-WW1 isolationist status thanks to the anti-war and feminists. It will take another WW1/WW2 for the US to get back on track unfortunately. The tension in the ME is building while we retreat back behind our boarders. If we had stayed in Iraq we would have been in a prime location to avert ME aggression. The same plan has worked for 50+years in Asia. Locate a base in the middle of all the hot spots and tell all of them to behave. Doing so has allowed Asia to become one of the fastest growing economic regions of the world. Our association with them has also likewise grown the US economy exponentially.

    Never listen to an anti-war/feminist crowd the best way to handle international relations. Doing so would be a grave mistake.

    But what we could do is deport all he anti-war and feminist groups to the ME to destroy their countries..
    it is like leaving a woman after raping and gettin her pregnant


    war is a murder if it is not for self defense.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Wait a minute! I thought the Iraqis loved Johnny Jihad and hate us. The Iraqis don't seem to want a damn thing to do with the jihadists.

    Al-Qaeda rebels take Tikrit, force 500,000 to flee Mosul « Hot Air
    Somebody has to lock down that Airport in Mosul.....or make it Obsolete.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is like leaving a woman after raping and gettin her pregnant


    war is a murder if it is not for self defense.
    I agree completely.. When Iraq invaded Kuwait... I guess it was not bad enough that Saddam and his sons were running around Iraq raping and killing women as well as their husbands. We should have allowed him to expand this to Kuwait as well...

    ORRRRR we could have taken him out during the first gulf war and avoided the 2nd disaster all together.
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



    Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
    Another Obama victory.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yup. BHO has given away GWB's victory.
    Another 'victory' like BushII's and we are undone. Iraq was a failed state through out the BushII debacle, there was no victory, just a temporary drop in violence as the surge no one mentions took effect- a surge of US dollars into the Sunni areas of control to bribe the Arabs into curbing their kidnapping and terrorism for hire schemes.

    The Iraqi government was never functional, the Iraqi army never stood up. Many Iraqis defined themselves by religion than nationality. We could piss away lives and treasure in that desert until the 2nd Coming and democracy would never embrace the whole of Iraqi. We got a temporary halt to the violence toward American troops and a low boil on the religious fighting, but never got a victory...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    well, I'm torn between " **** em' it's not our business " and " **** the Islamist extremists, kill em all"

    I have 3 kids in uniform... i'll go with the latter opinion for 1 of them, the former for the other 2.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    I agree completely.. When Iraq invaded Kuwait... I guess it was not bad enough that Saddam and his sons were running around Iraq raping and killing women as well as their husbands. We should have allowed him to expand this to Kuwait as well...

    ORRRRR we could have taken him out during the first gulf war and avoided the 2nd disaster all together.
    maybe.but you didnt.you let saddam **** these women for another ten years .
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Another 'victory' like BushII's and we are undone. Iraq was a failed state through out the BushII debacle, there was no victory, just a temporary drop in violence as the surge no one mentions took effect- a surge of US dollars into the Sunni areas of control to bribe the Arabs into curbing their kidnapping and terrorism for hire schemes.

    The Iraqi government was never functional, the Iraqi army never stood up. Many Iraqis defined themselves by religion than nationality. We could piss away lives and treasure in that desert until the 2nd Coming and democracy would never embrace the whole of Iraqi. We got a temporary halt to the violence toward American troops and a low boil on the religious fighting, but never got a victory...
    And had we kept a modest advisory and reaction force in place, and sustained our leverage over the Iraqi government, this could all have been avoided.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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