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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Oh, so we left too early, got it. How long was America supposed to stay and hold Malaki's hand? 10 years? 15? 20? remember, he didn't want us there under our conditions.
    As long as it took.

    I read on USA today that Obama isn't going to send troops, whew, I'm glad. And the secretary said we'll have limited air engagement with this ISIS group.
    It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next election. I suspect a lot of Democrats will be distancing themselves from the President on this issue also.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    As long as it took.



    It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next election. I suspect a lot of Democrats will be distancing themselves from the President on this issue also.
    Obama isn't up for reelection.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    If the current Administration thinks it can just watch Iraq fall into chaos and not be negatively impacted they are fooling themselves. Since the day he took office he hasn't lifted a finger to try and stabilize the situation there, and his indifference has played a HUGE part in what is happening in Iraq RIGHT NOW. You don't have to agree with me, but I promise you history will. buh-bye

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Much of why "we just stop fighting the war" over the years is because the people grow weary of the situation and propaganda is a major factor in accomplishing that. Take the Iraq war. First the Democrats were all on board for the invasion. Two years later they started changing their tune heading up to the 2004 elections. It was at that point the media was pivotal in the constant drum beat of an anti-Iraq message. The Democrats took every opportunity to depict our soldiers as heartless murderers. Remember Haditha? Where the two "Johns" Murtha and Kerry were constantly accusing our soldiers of autrocities? Ironically after almost destroying these soldier's lives every one of them was proved innocent. The rules in which our military operates changes with every administration. In the past six years this administration has pretty much tied the hands of our soldiers keeping them from doing what they were trained to do. Take Benghazi as an example. According to recently declassified testimony of Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, before the House Armed Services Committee in October, the U.S. military regards itself as legally barred from going after the perpetrators of the Benghazi attacks (and, presumably, others who attack Americans) unless they are affiliated with al-Qaeda. The Obama administration’s parsing of words to deny al-Qaeda’s direct involvement effectively precludes a military response in these types of situations. There are consequences for elections and we sure as hell are paying dearly for the last two when it comes to our defense and military.
    Part of it is what you say--political correctness has wormed its way into attitudes about war and is just as much of a liar there as it is everywhere else it raises its ugly head.

    But mostly I think it is a reluctance or lack of will to use overwhelming force when we fight wars any more. Maybe that's a politically correct thing too--a demand that we pull our punches and minimize collateral damage and that inevitably prolongs things and forces us to drag them out which, over the long run, increases injuries and deaths. And then the war weariness soon kicks in and whatever support the effort had in the beginning will wane and/or disappear.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    IF you read the article it is pretty clear the chemical weapon factory was set-up AFTER the fall of Saddam. It NEVER produced any chem weapons, so it isn't proof Saddam's regime made post GWI chem weapons for use against American troops.

    No smoking gun and the terrorist group responsible was most likely the same al-queera crowd Saddam hated and called Saddam a heretic....
    I know there is sworn testimony from former weapon inspectors Duelfer and Kay that would disagree with your assessment. I'll see if I can find their testimony on the web and get back with you.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    With ISIS telegraphing expanding the war to Jordan it is entirely predictable at this point that their goal will be, in roughly this order (slightly revised by ISIS given the trouble they have encountered with an equally brutal regime in Syria):

    1 - Iraq
    2 - Syria
    3 - Jordan
    4 - Israel
    5 - Turkey
    6 - The rest of the ME.

    By #6 there will be no Islamic country standing in their way. It is all downhill from Israel.

    Granted, this group of neanderthals has been skating in Iraq because of the inherent advantage of being an Islamic military that forgoes the commandment to not attack other Muslims, and their brutality has shot fear through the Iraqi military. But ISIS shows a weakness against Assad in Syria when faced with someone willing to match brutality, and are almost assuredly unable to take advantage of most of the spoils of war in Iraq. So when this 19th century throwback army decides to turn its sights in a top notch supremely trained westernized army in Israel it will likely stop there.

    I don't think these backward barbarians have a concept of the destruction Israel, or any western ally, has at their disposal. The lightly armored shock army would be stopped in its tracks by just a few coordinated volleys of Israel's 48 MLRS batteries.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Part of it is what you say--political correctness has wormed its way into attitudes about war and is just as much of a liar there as it is everywhere else it raises its ugly head.

    But mostly I think it is a reluctance or lack of will to use overwhelming force when we fight wars any more. Maybe that's a politically correct thing too--a demand that we pull our punches and minimize collateral damage and that inevitably prolongs things and forces us to drag them out which, over the long run, increases injuries and deaths. And then the war weariness soon kicks in and whatever support the effort had in the beginning will wane and/or disappear.
    It reminds me much how the Roman Empire became right before the big fall. The people no longer had the stomach to fight and protect their interests. They got lazy too and left it to others which came back to bite them.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    As long as it took.



    It will be interesting to see how this plays out in the next election. I suspect a lot of Democrats will be distancing themselves from the President on this issue also.
    National polls suggest that Americans are tired of war so if anyone should be distancing themselves it's republicans from the knee jerk reactionary war hawks.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I know there is sworn testimony from former weapon inspectors Duelfer and Kay that would disagree with your assessment. I'll see if I can find their testimony on the web and get back with you.
    I'd love to see this sworn testimony as the Official ISG Duelfer Report concludes both the chem and nuke programs were destroyed, Saddam wanted to start back up once the sanctions were lifted but they never were prior to the invasion.

    David Kay resigned saying he felt there never were WMD in Iraq. The CIA director asked him to stay on or it would appear the USofA didn't know what they were doing.... Kay resigned.

    FYI, it isn't 'my assessment', but the opinion of the US Forces on both the time of creation and the lack of production of the 2005 Mosul chem plant.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Don't worry Chris, Obama's National Security Advisor is Susan Rice and Valerie Jarrett is calling the shots.
    I don't feel any better about what is happening over there. What a waste of blood, money and time! What we should do is just ignore that entire part of the world.

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