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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    not true we had tangible victories and rebuilds of hearts and minds and towns and infrastructure in Iraq that is now literally destroyed..

    Like that wonderful Iraqi military we trained that are joining the ISIS? They don't support the Maliki gov't because it's a Shiia minority running roughshod over a Sunni majority. Besides they don't want our democracy and never did.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Yeah, okay.

    its only the biggest scam in planet earths history.. if you dont know about it.. I consider your views 100% moot.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Like that wonderful Iraqi military we trained that are joining the ISIS? They don't support the Maliki gov't because it's a Shiia minority running roughshod over a Sunni majority. Besides they don't want our democracy and never did.
    joining by gun point..

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    They are not stupid enough to get involved without a clear goal and an assessment that they will profit. If they do get involved, they WILL take over the oil fields, they WILL subjugate the people remaining and they WILL suck that country dry for everything it has and then leave. At least, that what I believe, if they get involved which I think is a "slim to none" chance.
    Yes, that would be the worst case for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I didn't realize there were so many chicken hawks lately, are these the same people who were for the first invasion? or is this because people think Obama should make the same mistakes as Bush?
    I don't think it was Bush who left Iraq too soon.

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    He never imagined staying for decades on end. A little before the war he said this



    George W. Bush - Wikiquote

    As far as the Arab Spring, that was part of his overall vision too:



    Address to the National Endowment for Democracy (November 6, 2003)
    Yes, even back then I was saying that we should plan for a decades long occupation, but not a permanent one. I would have hoped that the Bush foreign policy team would recognize the need for continued involvement. Is there anyone who actually believed at the time that pulling out in 2011 wasn't too soon? I just could not imagine that Iraq was able to go it alone at that point. I don't think Iraq did, either, but they got themselves in a pissing contest with our CnC.

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    I don't know that China has the expeditionary capacity to intervene in any significant way.

    At least not in the short run.

    Not that it matters.

    The Idiot in Chief is going to collude with Iran and this whole thing around Baghdad will be over in a heartbeat.

    Then we'll sit idly by as Iran steamrolls the Pech in Kirkuk and keeps right on going into Kurdistan ending even the philosophical notion of a Kurdish state, which sucks because the Kurds are probably the only people in that region who deserve to be cared about.

    This could be the absolute best thing that ever came of the War on Terror.

    But Obama will find some way to screw it up and ensure we come out of it as the biggest loser.
    China would take big losses if they tried it. I was thinking of a scenario in which China was denied a source of oil and they turned to military intervention in desperation. The Chinese seem reluctant to extend much beyond their traditional borders.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    Yeah, okay.

    Ummmduh..yea ok.. this is why your posts are nonsense and ill informed...

    The UN's oil-for-food scandal
    Rolling up the culprits
    America's legal authorities (but not many others) are still clearing debris from the UN programme that an ingenious Saddam Hussein turned to his own advantage
    Mar 13th 2008 | From the print edition
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    ..“THE biggest financial scandal ever.” That is what one American senator called the shenanigans over the UN's oil-for-food programme. Designed to soften the impact of UN sanctions on the Iraqi people by allowing the supervised sale of some Iraqi oil, it ended up enabling Saddam Hussein to haul in lots of money and enriching many other shady types. The affair threatened to discredit the whole United Nations system and almost brought down Kofi Annan, its then boss. Even now, the scandal is quietly claiming victims, though in a lot of places it seems to have vanished mysteriously from the radar.

    In its final report in October 2005, a committee of inquiry, headed by Paul Volcker, a former chairman of America's Federal Reserve, found that 2,253 firms, many of them household names, had made illegal payments totalling $1.8 billion to the Saddam regime.

    That was not quite the world-beating scam claimed by some: the diversion of less than 2% of the value of transactions amounting to nearly $100 billion ($64 billion in oil sales, and humanitarian purchases worth $35 billion) looks almost squeaky-clean by the commercial standards of some energy-rich states. But it was a blot on an arrangement in which every cent was supposed to be monitored. And the Volcker panel's access to ministry files in post-war Iraq threw light on many deals that were meant to stay secret

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    The UN's oil-for-food scandal: Rolling up the culprits | The Economist

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

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    Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]Alright folks...

    There is an ENTIRE forum dedicated to the military where you can prattle on to your hearts content debating about whose fault Iraq is or what your opinions of Clintons actions were or anything else like that.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Obama has declared the war on terror over and that AQ "is on the run"....Egypt and Syria are doing great..

    but go back to your out of context liberal bashing of GWB
    Don't you just love irony.... people who, in the process of admonishing you, do the exact thing they are being critical of....

    You should re-read my text. My criticism was of US policy regarding Iraq over a 10-20 year period... that includes several presidents. The fact that Bush Jr. made the most bold strides toward a policy makes him the worst offender of the lot; but I did throw him into lot. I also credit George HW Bush for good policy on Iraq.....

    It was you that introuced out-of-context CON bashing of Obama. He was not on topic of my point at all......

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    no doubt of it.. its who Obama is... people never did the correct due dilligence on him and his other name Barry Soetero..

    look at Obamas mentors? not one that was not an anti USA loon
    Many of us warned about this back in 2007. Now, here we are reaping the lack of interest in anything other than appearance the voters so adamantly insisted on. Sucks, but the voting public asked for it - demanded it even.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Many of us warned about this back in 2007. Now, here we are reaping the lack of interest in anything other than appearance the voters so adamantly insisted on. Sucks, but the voting public asked for it - demanded it even.
    I agree 100%

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Would you support the US losing, if it meant Obama looked bad and got removed or would you support a US victory, even if it made Obama look good?
    We have already lost the Middle East and North Africa because of Obama's failed foreign affairs policies.

    Name those with in the Obama White House who have any military or intelligence community experience ? There are none. Obama and those he surrounded themself with "Don't trust the military" (per Robert Gates) and ignore the military advisor's. (per Robert Gates and Leon Panetta)
    They (Obama administration) despise the military. They believe that the military purpose is for liberal social engineering.

    We defiantly can't put troops on the ground because of the 33 Army combat brigades, only 3 are rated as combat ready. Troops attending mandatory sensitivity classes trumps combat training in todays Obama's PC military.

    Obama is incompetent as CnC and his entire administration are incompetent and are liars.

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