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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246]

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    World war v Iraq invasion on false premises?
    Thanks for that false dichotomy. In all cases there was a need to keep the region stabilized.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It doesn't help that President Obama IGNORED advise from the military experts that it was TOO SOON to pull troops out of Iraq and that they needed AT LEAST another year to take care of things over there.
    It takes time to remove troops and equipment, at least our exodus didn't resemble the Vietnam pullout, where the US dumped stuff into the sea and destroyed millions of dollars worth of equipment.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Aluminum tubes which were no longer usable.

    Nothing to make ICBM's with, nothing to produce a mushroom cloud. How's that for gloss?
    Let's take a walk down memory lane shall we? There were several chemical weapon factories discovered where intelligence believed they were destined to be used against our troops. The threat of chemical weapons being used on our guys in the region through terrorist organizations Saddam was funding was real. It is why all the troops were equipped with special outerwear. Some of the intelligence was faulty ......some of it wasn't.

    Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Let's take a walk down memory lane shall we? There were several chemical weapon factories discovered where intelligence believed they were destined to be used against our troops. The threat of chemical weapons being used on our guys in the region through terrorist organizations Saddam was funding was real. It is why all the troops were equipped with special outerwear. Some of the intelligence was faulty ......some of it wasn't.

    Iraqi Chemical Stash Uncovered
    Faulty, doctored intelligence.

    Bush admitted there were no WMDs. Watch him stumble through this press conference.


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    It takes time to remove troops and equipment, at least our exodus didn't resemble the Vietnam pullout, where the US dumped stuff into the sea and destroyed millions of dollars worth of equipment.
    It takes time? I'm saying that we left too soon. Face it, President Obama does not really know what he is doing, and he is arrogant and ignores the advice of those who DO know, such as his top generals.

    In the case of Iraq, the American goal has been to leave a stable and representative government, avoid a power vacuum that neighboring states and terrorists could exploit and maintain sufficient influence so that Iraq would be a partner or, at a minimum, not an opponent in the Middle East.

    But the Obama administration has fallen frustratingly short of some of those objectives.

    The attempt by Mr. Obama and his senior aides to fashion an extraordinary power-sharing arrangement between Mr. Maliki and Mr. Allawi never materialized. Neither did an agreement that would have kept a small American force in Iraq to train the Iraqi military and patrol the country’s skies. A plan to use American civilians to train the Iraqi police has been severely cut back. The result is an Iraq that is less stable domestically and less reliable internationally than the United States had envisioned.

    The story of these efforts has received little attention in a nation weary of the conflict in Iraq, and administration officials have rarely talked about them. This account is based on interviews with many of the principals, in Washington and Baghdad.

    White House officials portray their exit strategy as a success, asserting that the number of civilian fatalities in Iraq is low compared with 2006, when the war was at its height. Politics, not violence, has become the principal means for Iraqis to resolve their differences, they say. “Recent news coverage of Iraq would suggest that as our troops departed, American influence went with them and our administration shifted its focus away from Iraq,” Antony Blinken, the national security adviser to Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., said in a speech in March. “The fact is, our engagements have increased.”
    Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    CNN now reporting that Iranian Revolutionary Guard soldiers are in Iraq fighting ISIS.
    LOL

    Awesome.

    We need to start supporting the ISIS through a proxy in the Gulf states.

    Keep throwing fuel on the fire 'til the entire Arab/Muslim world is one enormous conflagration.

    Sit back and laugh as China's economy grinds to a halt.
    “Now it is not good for the Christian’s health to hustle the Aryan brown,
    For the Christian riles, and the Aryan smiles and he weareth the Christian down;
    And the end of the fight is a tombstone white with the name of the late deceased,
    And the epitaph drear: “A Fool lies here who tried to hustle the East.”

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Faulty, doctored intelligence.

    Bush admitted there were no WMDs.

    Unfortunately for you, 2-minute YouTube videos which may or may not have been edited mean nothing here on DP.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    BS! It was more stable before we arrived!
    Whatever. It's certainly not stable now.

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Yes, I agree. Obama used his telepathic powers to force George W. Bush to invade Iraq. Pretty good trick if you ask me.
    I was thinking more of the President's decision to leave Iraq in 2011, which he needed no clairvoyance to make, just poor judgment. We said that this would happen, and it's happening, and we needed no clairvoyance to make that prediction, either, just common sense.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    It takes time? I'm saying that we left too soon. Face it, President Obama does not really know what he is doing, and he is arrogant and ignores the advice of those who DO know, such as his top generals.



    Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/23/wo...anted=all&_r=0
    The US should never have gone into Iraq in the first place.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    LOL

    Awesome.

    We need to start supporting the ISIS through a proxy in the Gulf states.

    Keep throwing fuel on the fire 'til the entire Arab/Muslim world is one enormous conflagration.

    Sit back and laugh as China's economy grinds to a halt.
    Good point. Chinese intervention becomes a possiblity.

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