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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Jesus, do you have any working knowledge at all of what happened?

    Iraq was in the middle of a multiple front civil war. What turned the tide was not American troops but the Sunni Awakening Councils which essentially separated the fish from the water. If you had ANY understanding of COIN, which you obviously do not, you would have credited them, and not American forces with success. Your asinine comment is saying the British forces via brute force defeated the Malayan insurgency rather than COIN operations with native forces. And you keep pretending that Iraq wasn't seeing bombings and attacks during 2008. Because you have 0% interest in anything but partisan hackery.

    Why do you keep white washing Iraq? Why do you hate the noble men and women who died there that much?



    Is that why we had bombings on the day American forces pulled out? Because no bombings happened at all when we had troops there? oh wait.... Your partisan hackery is beyond measure.



    Because Iraq was just peachy in 2008 right?

    Thanks for proving my point. You only care about sticking things to Democrats and pretending everything was fine when a Republican was in power. More proof you don't give a **** about the lives of people in uniform.

    Tell me, how would you have convinced the Iraqis to drop their requirement for Judicial Jurisdiction? Let's see if you can for once come up with a constructive argument. I bet you can't.
    The insurgency was defeated by American forces during the offensive. If youll notice, ISIS isn't a local force unit.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The insurgency was defeated by American forces during the offensive. If youll notice, ISIS isn't a local force unit.
    Saying the same thing over and over again and refusing to address rebuttals suggests you have no actual working argument. But thanks for admitting you have zero understanding of what actually happened in Iraq.

    Furthermore, total and complete failure to address the SOFA issue suggests you have no understanding of it and only seek to complain.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    They militants are taking Iraq faster than we did.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Saying the same thing over and over again and refusing to address rebuttals suggests you have no actual working argument. But thanks for admitting you have zero understanding of what actually happened in Iraq.

    Furthermore, total and complete failure to address the SOFA issue suggests you have no understanding of it and only seek to complain.
    Personal attacks are even less effective.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    They militants are taking Iraq faster than we did.
    ISIS isn't playing by the rules and the Iraqis know it.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Personal attacks are even less effective.
    I've already demonstrated that you effectively know nothing about Iraq. Your constantly refusals to even acknowledge my points is proof of that.

    I've already demonstrated you are solely here to bash Obama. Your constantly refusal to address the SOFA argument is proof of that.

    I've already demonstrated you have no knowledge of COIN. You refusal to address that is proof of that.

    I've already demonstrated that you are white washing 2003-2008 Iraq. Your claims that Obama was the cause of the problems and your complete avoidance of all points showing that Iraq was a complete mess from 2001-2011 is proof of that.

    What more do you want? More demonstration that you have no knowledge of this topic entirely?

    You are completely unable to address anything I've said in any non-raging partisan hack way period.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I've already demonstrated that you effectively know nothing about Iraq. Your constantly refusals to even acknowledge my points is proof of that.

    I've already demonstrated you are solely here to bash Obama. Your constantly refusal to address the SOFA argument is proof of that.

    I've already demonstrated you have no knowledge of COIN. You refusal to address that is proof of that.

    I've already demonstrated that you are white washing 2003-2008 Iraq. Your claims that Obama was the cause of the problems and your complete avoidance of all points showing that Iraq was a complete mess from 2001-2011 is proof of that.

    What more do you want? More demonstration that you have no knowledge of this topic entirely?

    You are completely unable to address anything I've said in any non-raging partisan hack way period.
    You haven't said anything, other than the usual Leftist talking points, then dare to call ME a partisan hack?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You haven't said anything, other than the usual Leftist talking points, then dare to call ME a partisan hack?
    And that kids, is the smoking gun.

    Apparently to Adpst, Iraq in 2008 was a paradise of security.

    There's not much more to be said to someone who's operating on a foundation completely detached from reality on this topic.

    I guess you think Ockam is a leftist then? Because he agrees with my position of the SOFA?

    Let's see just how tangled up your beliefs really are.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Any educated word on ISIS' troop numbers, armament, or organization? Are the official estimates off?

    I mean... They're not a professional army, and they're don't have the backing of a nation state behind them (as far as I'm aware, anyway). It seems odd that they'd be able to make this kind of head way so quickly, especially against a relatively well-supplied national army with heavily armored units and air power at its disposal.

    Are the Iraqis simply not putting up a fight? Is the local population rising up to support the invaders?

    Something about this just doesn't seem right. They've basically taken half the damn country.

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    I've read there are anywhere from 800 to 10,000 ISIS troops in Iraq. Apparently they started out affiliated with Al Qaeda but at some point they became too extreme even for them. Of course that might be an exaggeration to scare the enemy....which is something Saddam used to do.

    The latest I've heard is that ISIS are the Bath Sunnis that were purged from the government and Iraqi Army by Paul Brener. But a lot of them are probably escapes from Abu Graib and other prisons in Iraq.....

    Abu Ghraib Prison Break: Hundreds Of Detainees, Including Senior Al Qaeda Members, Escape Facility


    Maliki made lots of promises to the US to integrate the Sunni back into the government but never did....so a lot of this is his fault, too. Aside from the invasion itself it was a huge mistake not to include the Sunni in the rebuilding of Iraq and now it's coming back to haunt.

    Considering how well organized the ISIS is (they even have accountants) and how well the troops are trained and equipped and the pace at which they are taking over some of the cities is just too coincidental for their leaders to not be the purged Bath party and military members. I suspect they have a lot of sympathizers inside Iraq including in the Iraq military. Which might explain why they didn't put up much of a fight before they retreated.

    Imo, this might be the beginning of a sectarian civil war that was in the making long ago when the French and British arbitrarily drew up the countries boundaries without consideration of the sectarian tribes or culture that existed there. It could be a short war because the sects have pretty much already segregated themselves over the last ten years. Or it could be a long drawn out bloody war especially if Iran gets involved, if they aren't already. But either way, I think Iraq is going to get carved up into smaller states no matter what and might even include Syria....and the US should stay out of it other than to provide diplomatic and humanitarian aide and let just history take its course.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    And that kids, is the smoking gun.

    Apparently to Adpst, Iraq in 2008 was a paradise of security.

    There's not much more to be said to someone who's operating on a foundation completely detached from reality on this topic.

    I guess you think Ockam is a leftist then? Because he agrees with my position of the SOFA?

    Let's see just how tangled up your beliefs really are.
    Putting words in my mouth isn't going to imprive you're already untenable position.
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