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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Occupy the world? There's need for that. We shouldn't have pulled out of Iraq, though. That's painfully obvious. The civilian casualties are going to make Operation Iraqi Freedom look like a bar room brawl on a saturday night.

    It down right shameful how the Libbos are taking advantage of this to say "I told you so".

    WHY did we invade on false premises again? Think keeping tens of thousands of US troops in country WITHOUT FUNDING IT OF COURSE (GOP way), will change the outcome? SERIOUSLY? lol

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    American servicemen and women were stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII in order to maintain peace but left Iraq to its fate far too soon. You're right. Those who were killed and injured in Iraq, and now Afghanistan (which Obama was for), will have died for nothing. It is a lasting shame for the USA.
    This is wrong. The number of US forces stationed in Europe were largely tiny and scattered, especially after the 60s. US military doctrine in working with NATO was to ensure US forces in Europe in an event of a Soviet Invasion would tie the US to defending the Europeans by giving their lives. They were literally referred to as a trip wire by the Brass. They die, we commit. They're not defending ****. They were by US military doctrine suppose to die. We applied the same policy in Saudi Arabia. The troops themselves referred to their position as a "speed bump."

    Do you have any actual arguments as to how you would have gotten the Iraqis to drop their requirement for Judicial Jurisdiction, or are you just going to complain without any notion of understanding?

    I suspect...you're going to run. That's the outcome of every exchange we have.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, a terrible mistake by Bush and one Obama should have renegotiated, if he had any balls or foresight.
    Right, YOUR premise Obama


    "and a great memory maker. Obama Sets Timetable for Iraq Withdrawal, Calling It Part of Broader Middle East Strategy"

    Was TOTAL nonsense. Thanks for agreeing

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    American servicemen and women were stationed in Western Europe decades after WWII in order to maintain peace but left Iraq to its fate far too soon. You're right. Those who were killed and injured in Iraq, and now Afghanistan (which Obama was for), will have died for nothing. It is a lasting shame for the USA.

    They were there decades to maintain peace? READ A DAMN HISTORY BOOK!!!

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    This is tough medicine, but his post needed it.
    Certain people here are solely here to ding the other party. They have no use for facts. And it's disturbing how many of them frankly don't care about the body count.

    We should also not blame Nixon/Ford for the way we left Vietnam, a war that began with the other party, as well as IKE and Korea.
    Vietnam though did help the Thais. So that wasn't entirely a waste. At least we didn't end up making our enemy the regional power house like we did in Iraq. And that was occurring before Obama was sworn into the Senate.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The Korean War was a UN backed operation.
    And Iraq wasn't....

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, a terrible mistake by Bush and one Obama should have renegotiated, if he had any balls or foresight.
    Tell me....where would you get the money to keep funding this adventure?

    Were you willing to pay more taxes to fund an engagement for 50 years? I'm thinking no.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The insurgency was defeated by American forces. If American forces were still there, none of this would be happening. Obama pissed on the grave of every serviceman that died in Iraq, when he gave the whole show away.
    Con game- first the insurgency was never defeated, bribed to lower the level of attacks, but never defeated. IF American Forces were still there it would be WITHOUT the Current regime's permission, and we would need a HUGE TAX INCREASE to afford the HUGE bonuses to get anyone to enlist, for the HUGE bribes continuing in the Sunni sector along with the HUGE cost of keeping an Army of Occupation in place.

    CONs forget BushII had already pledged to remove US Troops by 2011 BEFORE he left office, so it was the CONs who signaled the Insurgents they just need to build their forces and wait for us to leave. It was BushII who pissed on the graves of the troops HE sent into Iraq....

    Fact is BushII gave 'the whole show away' the minute he realized Iraq wasn't like Texas and would just buy his Neo-CON BS without a second thought. He spent the last part of his Presidency looking for a way out and leaving a crap fest for 'the next guy'.

    But HE set the date for our leaving, mostly because the Iraq Government stuck a fork in us....

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Fact is BushII gave 'the whole show away' the minute he realized Iraq wasn't like Texas and would just buy his Neo-CON BS without a second thought. He spent the last part of his Presidency looking for a way out and leaving a crap fest for 'the next guy'.
    Bush gave the whole show away before the first round was fired. The Bush Administration did zero post invasion planning. Hence why the country was in such a mess after the invasion (to which Adpst pretends never happened). The administration officials years after openly admitted they did zero post invasion planning. It's no wonder that Iraq turned out to be such a mess when we had exactly zero working ideas about how to run a country that was degraded from years of sanctions and an invasion.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    We may have finally scared off the "Iraq was Paradise Before Obama Took Over" crowd.

    It is quite scary how severe partisan behavior distorts one's memories of very recent history.
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