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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    In fact it is a point that none of Barracks foreign policies are relevant, even if he has some. Whatever policies he might have are certainly not doing the United States any good.
    So then you blame Bush? This would be a first.


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

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    You're calling Democrats Conservatives, are you?

    This is how Democrats try to disassociate themselves from their past, but they continue the same policies toward minorities as they did prior to the CRA.
    I'm calling SOUTHERNERS CONservatives yes,is this not true?

    The GOP and Dem party have flipped several times the past 150 years, you realize this correct?

    Despite what Rushbo tells you, CONservatives were against freeing the slaves, civil rights, woman's rights, equal rights, etc

    Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

    The Republican Party that championed civil rights in the mid-to-late 19th century all but abandoned the cause in the beginning of the 20th, as white America turned away from blacks, and left them to suffer at the hands of segregationists and lynch mobs. Key GOP politicians (like President Taft) embarked on a campaign to wash the Republican Party of its connection to blacks, in order to expand its constituency in the white South.

    Likewise, the same Democratic Party that advanced white supremacy throughout the same period—and into the New Deal—began to shift in the opposite direction.

    Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)


    Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights

    I can't recommend enough Jonathan Chait's rebuttal to National Review's attempt to rewrite the history of the civil rights movement to portray conservatives as its most ardent supporters:

    It is true that most Republicans in 1964 held vastly more liberal positions on civil rights than Goldwater. This strikes [Kevin Williamson, the author of the National Review piece] as proof of the idiosyncratic and isolated quality of Goldwater's civil rights stance. What it actually shows is that conservatives had not yet gained control of the Republican Party.


    But conservative Republicans — those represented politically by Goldwater, and intellectually by William F. Buckley and National Review — did oppose the civil rights movement.


    Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights | Mother Jones

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Illinois? Oh right NORTHERN, Reagan 'considered' himself CONservative too right?


    Dirksen's penchant for changing his mind during his days as a congressman was noted by the Chicago Sun-Times, which once noted that he had changed his mind 62 times on foreign policy matters, 31 times on military affairs, and 70 times on agricultural policies.

    Nation: The Leader: Everett Dirkson - TIME


    He was a leading "hawk" on the issue of the Vietnam War a position he held well before Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson decided to escalate the war.

    As President Johnson followed Dirksen's recommendations and escalated the war, Dirksen gave him strong public support, as well as strong support inside the Republican caucus, even as some Republicans advised him that it would be to the party's advantage to oppose Johnson.


    In 1964, as Southern Democratic Senators staged a filibuster that ran 54 days to block passage of the Civil Rights bill of 1964 (see Civil Rights Act of 1964), Senators Dirksen, Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill and slightly weaker bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version regarding government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation. After 57 days of filibuster, the substitute bill passed in the Senate, and then the House-Senate conference committee agreed to adopt the Senate version of the bill.

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    BUT, I'M NOT TALKING INDIVIDUALS, I'M TALKING EITHER PARTY (GOP) OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS OR CONservatives as a whole, being on the correct side of history! DO YOU DENY CONservatives bloccked CRA in 1964? SOUTHERN CONservatives today's GOP base?
    No one blocked the CRA; it passed. It passed with Repub votes, many of which were conservatives. And btw, in 1968, as George Wallace's support eroded late in the presidential race, his voters migrated to Humphrey, not Nixon.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So then you blame Bush? This would be a first.
    Leftists should never guess at what a post means. Please try to read the sentence as it is posted and respond to that, not to something you dream up on your own.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The most important man in the Senate to pass the CRA was Repub leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a man who always described himself as a conservative. There were many others like him in both House and Senate.
    Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

    But conservative Republicans those represented politically by Goldwater, and intellectually by William F. Buckley and National Review did oppose the civil rights movement. Buckley wrote frankly about his endorsement of white supremacy: "the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically." More often conservatives argued on grounds of states' rights, or freedom of property, or that civil rights leaders were annoying hypocrites, or that they had undermined respect for the law.


    Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights | Mother Jones

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Wrong lesson. We never should have gone in.

    This was nothing like those examples, and decades wouldn't have been long enough. Think centuries.
    You should have never voted for Obama.
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    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Leftists should never guess at what a post means. Please try to read the sentence as it is posted and respond to that, not to something you dream up on your own.
    You said Obama's policies weren't relevant. So I'm just going back to Bush's policies because he is relevant, right?


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

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    Conservatives Try to Rewrite Civil Rights History (Again)

    But conservative Republicans those represented politically by Goldwater, and intellectually by William F. Buckley and National Review did oppose the civil rights movement. Buckley wrote frankly about his endorsement of white supremacy: "the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically." More often conservatives argued on grounds of states' rights, or freedom of property, or that civil rights leaders were annoying hypocrites, or that they had undermined respect for the law.


    Conservatives Trying to Rewrite the History of Civil Rights | Mother Jones
    As Dems try to claim that the CRA's most ardent opponents weren't Dems.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    No one blocked the CRA; it passed. It passed with Repub votes, many of which were conservatives. And btw, in 1968, as George Wallace's support eroded late in the presidential race, his voters migrated to Humphrey, not Nixon.
    lol

    Atwater apologized on his deathbed in 1991 for using racial prejudice to inflame voters, but present-day conservatives make a virtue of finding themselves on the wrong side of history. They flaunt their victimhood to rally their troops to yet another lost cause. These conservatives would sooner cast themselves as heroic victims than apologize for resorting to bigotry.

    Republicans believe so deeply in their own victimhood that the world only makes sense in the reflection of a fun house mirror.

    Why are Republicans Playing the Victim on Civil Rights? by Jason Stanford

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    As Dems try to claim that the CRA's most ardent opponents weren't Dems.
    They were, but what's really desperate is your attempt to put that on today's Democrats.


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