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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    It's working out great if you're an insurgent.


    P.S. Thanks for bringing this thread back on topic. Well done

    Apparently earlier I was a bad boy in that regard but I thought it was relevant at the time ... tangentially, anyway.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Apparently earlier I was a bad boy in that regard but I thought it was relevant at the time ... tangentially, anyway.
    Well... the title of the thread is: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance. Apparently, according to some, Obama's Iraq policy is somehow not relevant to the discussion? lol.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In House and Senate, greater percentages of Repubs than Dems voted for the 1964 CRA.
    NOTHING to do with CONservatives EVER being on the correct side of history huh?

    CONservatives (think Southerners, today's GOP base, were 98% against the CRA of 1964, like GOPers Goldwater and Reagan (Goldwater because he was a true libertarin, Reagan fighting hard for the Southern Staters, IMO)..

    NORTHERN GOPers voted for that Democratic thing!
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    So in other words you want to take credit for all of the good stuff while simultaneously distancing yourself from all of the bad stuff by selectively assigning the definitions?

    Got it.
    So you can't think of ONE policy the CONservatives have EVER been on the correct side of history either, like Iraq's invasion on false premises?

    CONservatives stood with King George in 1776 (Torries), were the isolationists during both WW's, fought labor unions, labor rights, SS, Min wage laws, environmental laws, equal rights, Medicare, clean air/water act, etc

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    NOTHING to do with CONservatives EVER being on the correct side of history huh?

    CONservatives (think Southerners, today's GOP base, were 98% against the CRA of 1964, like GOPers Goldwater and Reagan (Goldwater because he was a true libertarin, Reagan fighting hard for the Southern Staters, IMO)..

    NORTHERN GOPers voted for that Democratic ting!
    The most important man in the Senate to pass the CRA was Repub leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a man who always described himself as a conservative. There were many others like him in both House and Senate.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, now it's a mess!
    Tell that to the 4,000+ men and women who died to make Iran the regional power house.

    Iraq was the mess from the first day. You just have exceptionally poor partisan memory. Remember the rampant looting? Tell me how that wasn't a mess.

    Your MO is to blame the Democrats for everything and pretend that Republican time was rainbows and butterflies.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    NOTHING to do with CONservatives EVER being on the correct side of history huh?

    CONservatives (think Southerners, today's GOP base, were 98% against the CRA of 1964, like GOPers Goldwater and Reagan (Goldwater because he was a true libertarin, Reagan fighting hard for the Southern Staters, IMO)..

    NORTHERN GOPers voted for that Democratic thing!
    You're calling Democrats Conservatives, are you?

    This is how Democrats try to disassociate themselves from their past, but they continue the same policies toward minorities as they did prior to the CRA.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The most important man in the Senate to pass the CRA was Repub leader Everett Dirksen of Illinois, a man who always described himself as a conservative. There were many others like him in both House and Senate.
    Illinois? Oh right NORTHERN, Reagan 'considered' himself CONservative too right?


    Dirksen's penchant for changing his mind during his days as a congressman was noted by the Chicago Sun-Times, which once noted that he had changed his mind 62 times on foreign policy matters, 31 times on military affairs, and 70 times on agricultural policies.

    Nation: The Leader: Everett Dirkson - TIME


    He was a leading "hawk" on the issue of the Vietnam War — a position he held well before Democratic President Lyndon B. Johnson decided to escalate the war.

    As President Johnson followed Dirksen's recommendations and escalated the war, Dirksen gave him strong public support, as well as strong support inside the Republican caucus, even as some Republicans advised him that it would be to the party's advantage to oppose Johnson.


    In 1964, as Southern Democratic Senators staged a filibuster that ran 54 days to block passage of the Civil Rights bill of 1964 (see Civil Rights Act of 1964), Senators Dirksen, Thomas Kuchel (R-CA), Hubert Humphrey (D-MN), and Mike Mansfield (D-MT) introduced a substitute bill and slightly weaker bill that they hoped would attract enough Republican swing votes to end the filibuster. The compromise bill was weaker than the House version regarding government power to regulate the conduct of private business, but it was not so weak as to cause the House to reconsider the legislation. After 57 days of filibuster, the substitute bill passed in the Senate, and then the House-Senate conference committee agreed to adopt the Senate version of the bill.

    Everett Dirksen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    BUT, I'M NOT TALKING INDIVIDUALS, I'M TALKING EITHER PARTY (GOP) OVER THE PAST 40 YEARS OR CONservatives as a whole, being on the correct side of history! DO YOU DENY CONservatives bloccked CRA in 1964? SOUTHERN CONservatives today's GOP base?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Well... the title of the thread is: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance. Apparently, according to some, Obama's Iraq policy is somehow not relevant to the discussion? lol.
    In fact it is a point that none of Barracks foreign policies are relevant, even if he has some. Whatever policies he might have are certainly not doing the United States any good.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246]

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



    Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
    Or maybe that it was a bad idea to go in in the first place....

    Didn't Bush always say the goal was to have an Iraq that was independent and could defend itself? Thought I heard him say that.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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