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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    No ones asking for anyone to be absolved, we're talking about current events not historic events. And when Biden takes credit for Iraq's successes in 2010 and in 2014 it turns to **** like it is now, and the military says this is what will happen in Afghanistan after we leave too, perhaps the current administration doesn't get absolved either due to ill concieved credit and bad policy.
    Some people are simply unable to tell the difference in the past, present, and future. They are little children who haven't gotten that time factor down just yet. I'm relatively certain they never will, but they could stop derailing this thread with Bush. This current mess is due to OBAMA's policies, not Bush's.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    The ISIS is not affiliated with the muslim brotherhood.

    and by the by, the military overthrew the muslim brotherhood government.
    Doesn't mean they won't be.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    While we were there Maliki benefited from a much better intel picture and we were able to steer him away from the choices that have alienated Sunnis the past two years. Our residual force would have been for training and support, with a small special ops capability for those special someones.
    I asked a few times- just how big a force are you talking about? What happens when Maliki refused to extend the Status of Forces agreement with exemption from Iraqi law for Troops and 'contractors'?

    Maliki doesn't need a HD big screen 'picture' (and with our intel track record are ya sure it is a help???), he needs guys who will fight, he routinely ignored our advice, he routinely rewarded political cronies and relatives, from day one not once we left ...

    'We' didn't steer crap, we CREATED the crap fest with disenfranchised Sunnis....

    BushII/Bremmer threw all the Sunnis out of work, gutted the police and administrative forces- how quickly some forget....

    You can train and train and train, but unless the trained troops are willing to fight and face death....

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Yes, because the US is so open to Muslims

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    INSTEAD OF 'ALLUDE' READ THE LINK

    "In modern times, under Saddam, Christians were treated much the same as Muslims; Saddam's right hand man, Tariq Aziz, was Christian, Pelley said.

    "Before the war," said Pelley,"it's estimated there were about a million Christians in Iraq. They were a small minority, but free to worship, free to build churches, and free to speak the ancient language of Jesus, Aramaic. But, after the invasion, Muslim militants launched a war on each other and the cross."

    Iraq: Worse for Christians Now Than under Saddam Hussein by Michael Ireland
    I read you link. And I've been to the middle east. There isn't enough money to pay me to go back.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.
    LOL, Too funny, no logic reasoning or honesty

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.
    iraq has been a mess for 10 years and afghanistan has suffered 12 years of american involvement. to say that iraq and afghanistan are in trouble because of obama's policies is nothing but politics. both administrations share blame for the mess in iraq and the middle east.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    that does not absolve the previous administration of destabilizing the country due to negligence and ill-conceived plans.
    Obama was supposed to heal the planet. What happened?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    Yes it does because the 'previous administration' is not in a position to make any changes NOW. Obama has been in office for 6 years. What is going on now is due to OBAMA'S policies. This is his baby. And it's his to fix.
    BS.
    This is the Iraqi's baby.
    Fight for your own freedom/land/lives.
    Fix your own damned country.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    I read you link. And I've been to the middle east. There isn't enough money to pay me to go back.
    Good, you agree, Saddam treated Christians as he did the rest of his people,. AFTER Bush chose his invasion of Iraq, the Christians were treated worse!

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    iraq has been a mess for 10 years and afghanistan has suffered 12 years of american involvement. to say that iraq and afghanistan are in trouble because of obama's policies is nothing but politics. both administrations share blame for the mess in iraq and the middle east.
    Things got worse after Obama was elected. Time to face that reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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