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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Like it did in Vietnam I guess.... I don't see the influence, enormous or otherwise, as Maliki was intent on sending the USofA troops packing ASAP. But just what size force you thinking of? Would it go out and about in the cities and villages or act as a velvet hand on Maliki's throat? Not REAL sure what better choices maliki made, seems the Kurds and Sunnis paid him no attention while the Shia militias seemed more intent on making demands than listening to Maliki's better choices
    While we were there Maliki benefited from a much better intel picture and we were able to steer him away from the choices that have alienated Sunnis the past two years. Our residual force would have been for training and support, with a small special ops capability for those special someones.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It was perfectly stable until we left.
    LOL Iraq has been embroiled in a civil war ever since we overthrew Sadaam and disbanded the Govt. and military. Just because we used our nations blood and treasure to suppress it does not mean it was ever gone. Anyone with half a brain could see this result, that's why Bush Jr. did the invading. His Father did not want to bear the guilt of decades of bloody civil war....not a problem for GW though.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Whats important here is that we blame Bush. And then use that to whip up the democratic base so as not to lose the Senate in November. We dont actually have to do anything about it.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    This is what happens when you tell the enemy exactly when you're going to break camp and go home.
    Explain to me again how Iraq's tribes are an enemy to the US?

    All that sophistry advanced on the news media for years somehow slipped my mind...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    At last I agree with the left crowd. We should never have gone to Iraq. It is good we are gone. It is bad they can't maintain a normal government. Put it behind us. There is no point in our getting involved any more in central Asia. Let's defend the homeland. Let someone else try to fix all the aggression in the world. We can't even afford to do it.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    And what exactly makes you think you know what I was thinking 10 years ago? Or what I think today for that matter. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you decide to clean someone else's clock.
    So you don't want to answer that question eh?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yup. BHO has given away GWB's victory.
    Malaki want's us back. what a ditz.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Explain to me again how Iraq's tribes are an enemy to the US?

    All that sophistry advanced on the news media for years somehow slipped my mind...
    All the tribes in Iraq are jihadists?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    False analysis. Problem is the Iraqis don't use the democratic form of governance, a problem with Western Culture is it thinks it's form of governance is superior and only a few bad men would refuse to use it. many regions of the world have a highly developed tribal system that for good or ill pushes leaders up... not unlike our party system that has a city councilman eventually a US Senator.

    It is more bogus thought to claim anyone is 'conditioned' to dictatorship AND declare GAWD given rights live in all people's breasts. (BushII)

    What was wrong is we scrapped the existing system and tried to force our 'western' system on the Iraqis. They had a system that needed cleaning not scrapping. But just like throwing all ba'athists out of any and every job in Iraq BushII seemed intent on being deaf to everyone but his inner council- none of which gave a second's thought to anything but Neo-Con think tank position papers.

    Comparing the USofA and it's melting pot to tribal Iraq is yet another false comparison. We don't have 2000 years of history. We don't have large enclaves of different religious and tribal areas cobbled together by an outside power. (that said we do have enclaves of blacks some CONs point out as almost a separate land, a LIBstan of sorts, not to mention enclaves of white supremacists in the Rockies, in separation by gated community. We divide our nation into blue and red with some purple (do you listen to some of the overheated rhetoric throw around in here?)

    The difference is our tribal power structure (and try to be a GOP liberal these days ) doesn't have thousands of years of bitter fighting to create the divide Iraq has, though we seem heading that way...
    Probably correct. We should just leave these third world nations to their own vices, and let them go on trading their women for goat herds, and not waste our precious resources and lives there. JMO. America has been trying to shove democracy down foreign nations' throats what seems like forever, we need to quit trying to feed them something they don't want to eat.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    All the tribes in Iraq are jihadists?
    If they want to be thus described.

    Considering how much they all hate the US for destroying their country, my guess is that even the women consider themselves to be jihadists. Hatred is a strong motivator for humans.

    Is your question an answer to mine? How again, are the Iraqi people, of whichever sect, the enemy of the US?

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