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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    How about if we just drop some bombs on the place. We could easily blow it to little itty bitty pieces.
    Because its much better to let terrorists behead civilians than have American bombs hurt them.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. Only the decider decided. You guys have run from that for years, unwilling to take personal responsibility.
    I've run from nothing, you people are the ones running. The resolution included the support of big Democrats, and the truth hurts your Hate-Bush meme.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Because its much better to let terrorists behead civilians than have American bombs hurt them.
    Yes, we have to handle the terrorists with kid gloves. I know! Let's give them more weapons and money. That'll help! Then they'll be our friends!

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes, we have to handle the terrorists with kid gloves. I know! Let's give them more weapons and money. That'll help! Then they'll be our friends!
    Tony Blair writes:

    Quote Originally Posted by Tony Blair
    He wrote: "Because some of the commentary has gone immediately to claim that but for that decision, Iraq would not be facing this challenge; or even more extraordinary, implying that but for the decision, the Middle East would be at peace right now; it is necessary that certain points are made forcefully before putting forward a solution to what is happening now.

    "Is it seriously being said that the revolution sweeping the Arab world would have hit Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, Yemen, Bahrain, Syria, to say nothing of the smaller upheavals all over the region, but miraculously Iraq, under the most brutal and tyrannical of all the regimes, would have been an oasis of calm?

    "Easily the most likely scenario is that Iraq would have been engulfed by precisely the same convulsion … The risk would have been of a full blown sectarian war across the region, with states not fighting by proxy, but with national armies."

    Mr Blair, who said he was not calling for allied troops to return to Iraq but all measures short of that, including air strikes, said the major cause of the current conflict was the civil war in Syria, together with the "sectarianism of the Maliki Government" which had "led to the alienation of the Sunni community".

    Tony Blair: Syria conflict is to blame for current Iraq crisis - UK Politics - UK - The Independent
    So, I think Blair is right...Instead of addressing the situation we are looking to place blame on the devolution of Iraq. And to make it worse Mr. Obama has essentially told hundreds, if not thousands of American's still in Iraq at our embassy there, to sit tight while he goes to Palm Springs to play golf, and fund raise, and decide what he will do...Sound familiar? That's because it is....Very similar to how he tangentially handled Benghazi....Our people under attack? Well, just go to sleep, and head out to a fund raiser....

    This criminal is getting people killed, and couldn't care less.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Tony Blair writes:



    So, I think Blair is right...Instead of addressing the situation we are looking to place blame on the devolution of Iraq. And to make it worse Mr. Obama has essentially told hundreds, if not thousands of American's still in Iraq at our embassy there, to sit tight while he goes to Palm Springs to play golf, and fund raise, and decide what he will do...Sound familiar? That's because it is....Very similar to how he tangentially handled Benghazi....Our people under attack? Well, just go to sleep, and head out to a fund raiser....

    This criminal is getting people killed, and couldn't care less.
    How he handled Benghazi was an absolute disaster. Like I said before, he is too inexperienced to handle the job and has no IDEA how to handle the people in the Arab world. He seems to think that those people in the ME are just like Americans. Well, they are not. After centuries and centuries of all the violence, feuding and fighting amongst yourselves, it becomes a part of who you are. It's all they know, and I don't know if it will ever change because the people in the ME are so resistant against education and becoming productive world citizens. Religious fanaticism in all it's glory.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    History, something CONservatives are ALWAYS on the wrong side of. Weird....
    Even weirder, Proggies delusional rejection of facts. A curious detachment from reality, but such a need explains much.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Yes, and the US will be treated like liberators and confronted with flowers and candy.... $50 billion perhaps months not years.....lol
    Switching the subject doesn't absolve people from the folly of their claims. The cage is secure, as the facts, and now deflection have clearly proven.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Switching the subject doesn't absolve people from the folly of their claims. The cage is secure, as the facts, and now deflection have clearly proven.
    But the question is there...Is our electorate smart enough to see progressivism as the destructive force that it is, and much as we did after the last reprobate of human society, Woodrow Wilson, and his thug followers, were banished to the dust heap of mistakes for 100 years?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But the question is there...Is our electorate smart enough to see progressivism as the destructive force that it is, and much as we did after the last reprobate of human society, Woodrow Wilson, and his thug followers, were banished to the dust heap of mistakes for 100 years?
    That is the hanging question. It would seem the darkness of Progressivism collapsed from the fatal faults in it's premise before, and today, the unsustainable nature of the religion will certainly collapse again. How long that takes is the unfortunate and painful question.

    When it does happen, I suppose the billionaire globalists pushing the agenda will crawl back under the baseboards and look for some other way to manipulate people.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? interesting how the economic results don't show that nor the foreign policy successes. Iraq was stable when Bush left office, it is a mess now. The economy went into free fall when Democrats took over the Congress but prior to that the GDP Growth, job creation, govt. revenue was better than anything we have now. Too bad liberals ignore bls.gov, bea.gov, Treasury data and of course basic civics and history Bush was a governor, Obama a Community agitator. Democrats were more interested in regaining the WH than doing what was right for the American people and knew that people like you would blame Bush for the results generated with a Democrat controlled Congress.
    More CON crap, the economy went into free fall when the HOUSING bubble collapsed, BUSHII was President and just like every other crisis he was at first overwhelmed and then poured massive amounts of tax payer money into the sinkhole (Which CONs went along with as long as a CON President was in office) You seem to forget that the engine driving the 'record' growth was doing so by cannibalizing itself. Stripping more and more from the structure below to attempt to reach higher with paper profits and fund manager profits...

    Your blaming DEMs in Congress is like me blaming my wife for a streetlight going out as we pass under it... that light was on the path to failure long before we even started the car...

    Same with Iraq where the 'Decider in Chief' refused to listen to the Generals for years as the 'dead-enders' grew to a major insurgency and then poured massive amounts of bribes and troops (the numbers originally given as required by the Generals BTW) in a desperate attempt to stave off Iraq disintegrating. But key was giving a date certain for our withdrawal.

    So Iraq wasn't stable when BushII left, it was bribed into a lull AFTER BushII announced we would be leaving with a date certain...

    You CONs refuse to admit BushII so screwed this pooch from day one that there was no 'fixing' it. You refuse to admit Iraq was a tottering house of cards when BushII left with no real central government as the Sunnis, Kurds and Shi'ites ALL wanted to go their own way. You seem to think we can force other governments to do our bidding and they will do so like reluctant children.

    BushII's record in office was one of a strutting, stuttering, drawling, little big man who finally couldn't leverage the family name for 'success'. His misplaced faith in American Exceptialism cost us as badly as Crassus cost the Romans at Carrhae.

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