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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    So we are still stuck with George W. Bush's ****-up.
    So lets impeach Bush. Oh wait.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I didn't say America's influence, I said Iran's influence. You don't see that as a problem? Or is that Obama's fault too?

    Obama is no Reagan, but you have run so far away from Reagan to stoke your ODS you can't even see him anymore.
    I see everything as a problem when you have an incompetent in the WH and that is our problem here. Yes, it is Obama's fault because of Obama's arrogance. What you and most people here don't seem to comprehend is leadership and that with leadership comes responsibility. Results judge leadership and the Obama results generate what you call ODS. I actually like the guy personally but his lack of leadership skills, executive experience, and actual results support my so called ODS. There isn't one economic number or foreign policy result of Obama's better than Bush's and the hatred here for Bush is incredible. I am result oriented as are most successful people, those who aren't rely on liberal rhetoric and support

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You neocons never learn. There will be no stable Iraq as long as we continue to meddle there. It is up to the Iraqi's to resolve their own conflicts.
    We aren't meddling, we abandoned the country and the positive results generated

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Again, your opinion is just that an opinion from someone who didn't like the war and who is so naive that they don't believe what is happening there now is going to affect them. Your short term thinking and lack of understanding of the broad picture is part of the problem. Saying your sorry in the future isn't going to change the reality of what is happening now. You buy the liberal spin regarding the Status of Forces agreement and that spin is false. It was Obama arrogance and failed leadership that is leading to the results we see on the ground now. Too bad progressives like you never admit when you are wrong but when proven wrong it is way too late.
    I am a vet who knows what war is up close and personal, I DON'T like war, especially wars we didn't need to protect OUR freedom, but instead a 'national(corporate) interest'...

    I knew from the moment 'shock and awe' was unfolding we would be affected for decades, not just now.

    My thinking is far more than the worn out, we can't stop sacrificing troops because we foolishly started a HUGE mess and now are trying to justify it with even more lives.

    No, the SoFA was pooched from the git-go, Iraq made a HUGE stink about contractors being outside their law (and some thought outside our law as well). Maliki was firmly set on showing HIS country he was no stooge.

    It is difficult to see Obama arrogance when he followed BushII and his catastrophe, the hubris was of epic proportions!

    As a former NCO let me clue you in on 'leadership'- America is not about to be 'lead' back into Iraq- don't givadamn who you think can get that done.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Awesome! A Hitler reference.

    Matters not to me that people are so desperate to be proven so gullible in the face of facts. I say carry on to those who are required to do so.

    Kind of vaporizes the credibility quotient, but it would seem there was little in that bank account to begin with.
    I won't use the Hitler reference but I'll just say that it was a treasonous Craigslist ad begging for a dark mysterious and handsome terrorist to come invade us.
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    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Awesome! A Hitler reference.

    Matters not to me that people are so desperate to be proven so gullible in the face of facts. I say carry on to those who are required to do so.

    Kind of vaporizes the credibility quotient, but it would seem there was little in that bank account to begin with.
    History, something CONservatives are ALWAYS on the wrong side of. Weird....

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I am a vet who knows what war is up close and personal, I DON'T like war, especially wars we didn't need to protect OUR freedom, but instead a 'national(corporate) interest'...

    I knew from the moment 'shock and awe' was unfolding we would be affected for decades, not just now.

    My thinking is far more than the worn out, we can't stop sacrificing troops because we foolishly started a HUGE mess and now are trying to justify it with even more lives.

    No, the SoFA was pooched from the git-go, Iraq made a HUGE stink about contractors being outside their law (and some thought outside our law as well). Maliki was firmly set on showing HIS country he was no stooge.

    It is difficult to see Obama arrogance when he followed BushII and his catastrophe, the hubris was of epic proportions!

    As a former NCO let me clue you in on 'leadership'- America is not about to be 'lead' back into Iraq- don't givadamn who you think can get that done.

    First of all thank you very much for your service and I respect your opinion. I had three family members with a different one and those three family members aren't Progressives as you claim to be. They don't like war either but liking war isn't the issue, others in the world want to destroy our way of life and are doing a good job of it with progressives in charge of our defenses today.

    We were affected for decades after every war and it is progressive policies which cause us to lose wars or lose the gains generated by our brave forces. It really is a shame that the world doesn't have your values but rather understand one thing and one thing only, FORCE.

    It is too late to put troops back into Iraq as we lost the peace when Obama's arrogance showed through. He hated Iraq as much as most liberals here and showed it by his dealings with the govt. of Iraq. He destroyed the good will generated by our troops and the gains created by their efforts. Here is a good non partisan article on the subject

    Is the violence in Iraq Obama's fault? - Page 2 - CBS News

    Obama was against the war from the beginning and did nothing to follow Bush's efforts or gains although he tried to do it in Afghanistan and is now generating the same results as we have in Iraq today.

    Obama is a perfect example of what happens why you ignore the resume and buy the rhetoric. This country elected an incompetent and the results we are seeing today prove it. The economy is a mess and the country is less safe today than it was when he took office. That is reality, live with it. Saying your sorry is going to be too late.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post


    None of that is WMD.

    Don't know what biological is huh? Got it...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I won't discuss my time there in detail. It suffices to say that while there were of course dangers, most of the people I met were quite friendly. Outside Baghdad was no more dangerous than inside.
    LOL... yeah that's the ticket, you will discuss how an embassy works with the CIA station chief/ambassador in pretty good detail but won't even say how long you were in, or if the people you met were functionaries or out during your daily walks outside the Green Zone....

    You are good at spin... Baghdad was dangerous- few US civilians wandered the streets of Baghdad. Howsomever going out on patrol to and from the airport (Highway of Death) and small unit patrols that were bait for contact outside of Baghdad.

    or do you have first hand experience of that as well????

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    No, obviously you don't get it. But I suppose clinging to the words of those who continue to lie about the facts is a good idea for some. Par for the course I've come to understand.
    Yes, and the US will be treated like liberators and confronted with flowers and candy.... $50 billion perhaps months not years.....lol

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