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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Maliki was unwilling to have Sunnis in the government, because he's taking some of his cues from Iran. That's why the current situation is happening. Of course, Iran's influence bound to increase. A Sunni leader was deposed and replaced with a democracy in a majority Shiite country. It doesn't take a genius to see that it was inevitable. I guess if you call that a victory, then Bush did win. Personally, I don't call making Iran more influential a victory.

    Basically, how many more American lives are you willing to sacrifice for a place that either can't or won't overcome sectarianism?
    So long as we maintained a presence Iran's influence was held somewhat in check.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Got it, you're a neocon and will hold onto ANYTHING to justify the horrible decision to invade Iraq on false premises

    "Rebuilding America's Defenses" A Summary
    Blueprint of the PNAC Plan for U.S. Global Hegemony

    Some people have compared it to Hitler's publication of Mein Kampf, which was ignored until after the war was over.
    "REBUILDING AMERICA'S DEFENSES" A Summary

    Awesome! A Hitler reference.

    Matters not to me that people are so desperate to be proven so gullible in the face of facts. I say carry on to those who are required to do so.

    Kind of vaporizes the credibility quotient, but it would seem there was little in that bank account to begin with.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    It isn't Americans influence that is the problem, it is Obama's arrogance, hatred of Iraq that is being spewed here as well, and total lack of leadership on his part. Obama is certainly no Reagan
    I didn't say America's influence, I said Iran's influence. You don't see that as a problem? Or is that Obama's fault too?

    Obama is no Reagan, but you have run so far away from Reagan to stoke your ODS you can't even see him anymore.


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    So long as we maintained a presence Iran's influence was held somewhat in check.
    Not really. Their influence has been building since 2003

    How many more lives for Iraq? Simple question. How many more Americans have to die for the sectarian divide?


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    So how tasty were the candies and how sweet the flowers they threw at you? I know a bunch of guys who went out and about on patrol, they don't have the same impression you have. So what all did you do over there? How long, and how many times did you mingle in the marketplaces across Iraq? You go out on those patrols to the remote villages and such on a day to day basis for a year????

    I went to Austria once while stationed in the FRG, can't say I know what Austrians think of Americans past a few who made there livelihood on the tourist trade....
    I won't discuss my time there in detail. It suffices to say that while there were of course dangers, most of the people I met were quite friendly. Outside Baghdad was no more dangerous than inside.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They were glad we were there.

    Exactly but a message ignored by the left and the MSM

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Not really. Their influence has been building since 2003

    How many more lives for Iraq? Simple question. How many more Americans have to die for the sectarian divide?
    There is nothing we need to do that would endanger Americans any more than just being there endangers them. There is no need for an American combat role.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is nothing we need to do that would endanger Americans any more than just being there endangers them. There is no need for an American combat role.
    So you're saying no need for a combat role, but Obama is bad for pulling out combat troops....


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Of course you do and of course that brings those soldiers back, doesn't it? That region is vital to this country and you your short term ideology is the dangerous one. You didn't like the Iraq War but the real tribute to those who die would have been a stable Iraq and Obama blew it
    You neocons never learn. There will be no stable Iraq as long as we continue to meddle there. It is up to the Iraqi's to resolve their own conflicts.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think Joe Biden, then a senator from Delaware had the right idea. But his suggestion was scorn, pillared and he was laughed at. Right after the capture of Saddam and before our nation building began Senator Joe suggested dividing up Iraq into 3 parts. The Kurds could have their own little country, the same for the Shia and the Sunni. Once done, bring the boys home.

    Each could have formed the type of government they wanted and the laws to live under. Instead we forced democracy upon them and tried to make 3 different sects of people who never did get along with each other to get along with each other in the name of democracy.
    Even so, It would still be very likely the Shia and Sunni would still fight each other, with the kurds tied up in the middle.

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