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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We were (and are) allies of the post-Saddam government from the time it was established. Our political leverage and intelligence influence were quite powerful when we still had a military presence in country.
    But the Iraqis hated the occupation so badly, they killed and injured troops with IEDs. Maybe we were friendly to a government the US installed, but we sure weren't favorites to Iraqi citizens. The friendliness, or allied government cooperation was out of necessity, and no more than that convenience.

    The US should stop going around the world overthrowing countries and installing regimes, as our track record in doing that is a miserable failure.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    But the Iraqis hated the occupation so badly, they killed and injured troops with IEDs. Maybe we were friendly to a government the US installed, but we sure weren't favorites to Iraqi citizens. The friendliness, or allied government cooperation was out of necessity, and no more than that convenience.

    The US should stop going around the world overthrowing countries and installing regimes, as our track record in doing that is a miserable failure.
    Having actually been to Iraq, I can tell you that Iraqis did not hate the occupation.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    lol, Sure, and the TWO Senate reports?

    United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.

    On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline,that the "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."

    United States support for Iraq during the Iran


    OH I GET IT,ANOTHER CONservative who lives in a different 'reality'



    The Senate committee's reports on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.

    One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.


    The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs

    How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them


    None of that is WMD.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Not if we just took over the entire country. We could control the government, the oil. We'll just call them America Junior.
    And you don't think the 3-something trillion we already spent was an attempt to do just that?

    And you think it is possible to take a seventh century fundamentalist Islamic republic, which is *nominally* controlled by Iran and just drop in a few strip malls and suddenly everyone will be running around flashing peace signs and making duck face selfies and saying "America yes Number One, blue jeans, hamburger Big Mac Justin Bieber okay!" ???

    My question for you, and anyone who believes this is possible:
    On what planet do you spend the majority of your free time? animals-stuck-16.jpg
    If I didn't respond to your diatribe, it's possible you may have
    engaged in revisionism or broad sweeping generalizations.
    I don't have time for either, and you're probably on my IGNORE list.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Checkerboard Strangler View Post
    And you don't think the 3-something trillion we already spent was an attempt to do just that?

    And you think it is possible to take a seventh century fundamentalist Islamic republic, which is *nominally* controlled by Iran and just drop in a few strip malls and suddenly everyone will be running around flashing peace signs and making duck face selfies and saying "America yes Number One, blue jeans, hamburger Big Mac Justin Bieber okay!" ???

    My question for you, and anyone who believes this is possible:
    On what planet do you spend the majority of your free time? animals-stuck-16.jpg
    We did not go to Iraq for the oil. If we had wanted it we certainly could have taken it.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Having actually been to Iraq, I can tell you that Iraqis did not hate the occupation.
    Really, how many Iraqis did you survey.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance [W:246, 565, *656*]

    Definition of a WMD
    A "weapon of mass destruction" (WMD or WoMD) is a nuclear, radiological, biological, chemical or other weapon that can kill and bring significant harm to a large number of humans

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Like it or not, we went into Iraq, over 4000 American troops were killed, the surge won the war, and Obama has lost the peace. So much blood and treasure lost thanks to the incompetence of this Administration and our Community Agitator President. No leadership skills at all. The Status of Forces Agreement was negotiated by Bush and squandered by Obama. On behalf of the three family members that I had who served in Iraq and the 4000+ Americans who died there let me express my disgust for this President, his Administration, and supporters. You people don't have a clue and we are in more danger today than when Obama took office.
    Like it or not, we went into Iraq, over 4,000 Americans died, the surge FINALLY brought the numbers up in country to the PROFESSIONAL military men's estimate YEARS after they had any chance of 'winning'. Huge bribes were paid to Sunni leaders and a truce was haltingly observed. BushII then announced the draw down, the year we would leave, and then scurried out the back door leaving it to others to finish the clean-up.

    The Iraqi government didn't want to extend the SoFA and that was that.

    Now when it comes to speaking for vets, I speak for myself and wife, coz we R Juan.... no need to second party that, I did my time in the slime.

    Allow me to express my disgust at those who stayed behind, but wish to speak on behalf of those who did go into the **** (my wife is a vet and she DAMN sure doesn't try that crap)

    BushII didn't win a damn thing. What increase of danger there is is a DIRECT result of the Bush hubris before during and after the Invasion. Saddam was a baaaaad man, but you can't swing a dead cat around that part of the world and not hit a baaaad man (some, our dear friends and allies)

    But BushII DAMN sure destabilized the region with ZERO plan to fix it.

    AMERICA has ZERO desire to 'go back in'. Iraq is as much a nation as Yugoslavia was. Our dear friends and allies, the Saudis, DAMN sure should have done far more to stabilize the Sunni side of the violence. Where are the Kurds in all of this?????

    When BushII decided to hit Iraq with 'Shock and Awe' it was only a matter of time before we would feel shock and awwwww....

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That only goes so far. Outreach to the Sunnis was the key, and that's why Maliki needed us. GWB won a victory. BHO has thrown it away.
    Maliki was unwilling to have Sunnis in the government, because he's taking some of his cues from Iran. That's why the current situation is happening. Of course, Iran's influence bound to increase. A Sunni leader was deposed and replaced with a democracy in a majority Shiite country. It doesn't take a genius to see that it was inevitable. I guess if you call that a victory, then Bush did win. Personally, I don't call making Iran more influential a victory.

    Basically, how many more American lives are you willing to sacrifice for a place that either can't or won't overcome sectarianism?


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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Having actually been to Iraq, I can tell you that Iraqis did not hate the occupation.
    So how tasty were the candies and how sweet the flowers they threw at you? I know a bunch of guys who went out and about on patrol, they don't have the same impression you have. So what all did you do over there? How long, and how many times did you mingle in the marketplaces across Iraq? You go out on those patrols to the remote villages and such on a day to day basis for a year????

    I went to Austria once while stationed in the FRG, can't say I know what Austrians think of Americans past a few who made there livelihood on the tourist trade....

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