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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Sure, Senate reports, dozens of articles from mainstream media isn't proof....
    Not a single article you linked to backs up your absolutely ridiculous contention that Reagan and Bush gave Saddam WMD.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    So we are still stuck with George W. Bush's ****-up.
    We can't change the past, but we can effect the future. Crying over spilled milk for political reasons isn't going to accomplish anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    If by "sunni establishment" you mean the Saddam Regime. Which we also paid Kurds and Sunni to attack. That lasted about 30 seconds until we toppled them. The US expended quite a lot of blood and treasure to keep Iraq from descending into a Civil War. Your claim is either completely uninformed, or insane.
    Yes, yes, I apologize. It is quite confusing. I get Sunnis and Shiites mixed up when I'm not thinking.

    Shia

    In late 2006 or early 2007, in what journalist Seymour Hersh called The Redirection, the United States changed its policy in the Muslim world, shifting its support from the Shia to the Sunni, with the goal of "containing" Iran and as a by-product bolstering Sunni extremist groups.[181] Richard Engel, who is an NBC News Chief Foreign Correspondent, wrote an article in late 2011 alleging that the United States Government is pro-Sunni and anti-Shia.
    The U.S. Role in the Sunni-Shi'ite Conflict

    Today we appear to be supporting the Sunnis against the Shi'ites just about everywhere, and have sided with the Saudi and Bahraini governments as they repress their Shi'ites. When the Americans were in Iraq, the administration went to great lengths to develop a "Sunni strategy," while seeming purposefully to overlook the small problem that the majority of Iraqis happen to be Shi'ites. The U.S. openly frets about Syria's murderous government, which is allied with Iran, while again disregarding the irritant that most of the Syrian opposition is composed of Sunni fundamentalist factions – frequently more at war with each other than they are with Bashar al-Assad -- and who are outspokenly and viciously anti-Western. Why should we in the U.S. support these Sunnis -- backed by our supposed Turkish, Saudi, or Qatari allies, against the Shi'ites and their allies -- when both they and the Iranian-supported Shi'ites are equally anti-American and anti-Western?

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by dad2three2001 View Post
    Sure, Senate reports, dozens of articles from mainstream media isn't proof....

    Video Clip: "Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein," Iraqi President Saddam Hussein greets Donald Rumsfeld, then special envoy of President Ronald Reagan, in Baghdad on December 20, 1983.


    Shaking Hands with Saddam Hussein

    In a September 26, 2002, article entitled “Following Iraq's Bioweapons Trail,” columnist Robert Novak wrote,

    An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran.

    WE KNOW HOW 'LIBERAL' BOB NOVAK WAS RIGHT? LOL

    Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob Hornberger




    Unfortunately, the U.S.-WMD connection to Saddam Hussein involved more than just delivering those WMDs to him. In an August 18, 2002, New York Times article entitled “Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas,” Patrick E. Tyler wrote,

    A covert American program during the Reagan administration provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraqi commanders would employ chemical weapons in waging the decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war, according to senior military officers with direct knowledge of the program.


    Reagan's WMD Connection to Saddam Hussein by Jacob Hornberger
    The US and other nations gave Saddam Hussein so much stuff, it was unbelievable, but, that was when he was friendly with the US and other nations. But you'll hardly convince some people that this was the case.

    Now, Iran wants to help Iraq? wouldn't that make for an odd bedfellow? Jiveman always thought they wanted to kill each other. What does Iran want out of the deal?

    Somebody better either **** or get off the pot, either help, or get American people and contractors out before ISIS takes Baghdad.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammed View Post
    Not a single article you linked to backs up your absolutely ridiculous contention that Reagan and Bush gave Saddam WMD.
    lol, Sure, and the TWO Senate reports?

    United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, non-U.S. origin weaponry, military intelligence, Special Operations training, and direct involvement in warfare against Iran.

    On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline,that the "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."

    United States support for Iraq during the Iran


    OH I GET IT,ANOTHER CONservative who lives in a different 'reality'



    The Senate committee's reports on 'US Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual-Use Exports to Iraq', undertaken in 1992 in the wake of the Gulf war, give the date and destination of all US exports. The reports show, for example, that on May 2, 1986, two batches of bacillus anthracis -- the micro-organism that causes anthrax -- were shipped to the Iraqi Ministry of Higher Education, along with two batches of the bacterium clostridium botulinum, the agent that causes deadly botulism poisoning.

    One batch each of salmonella and E coli were shipped to the Iraqi State Company for Drug Industries on August 31, 1987. Other shipments went from the US to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission on July 11, 1988; the Department of Biology at the University of Basrah in November 1989; the Department of Microbiology at Baghdad University in June 1985; the Ministry of Health in April 1985 and Officers' City, a military complex in Baghdad, in March and April 1986.


    The Senate report also makes clear that: 'The United States provided the government of Iraq with 'dual use' licensed materials which assisted in the development of Iraqi chemical, biological and missile-system programs

    How Did Iraq Get Its Weapons? We Sold Them

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    Right. Otherwise they would not have noticed we were gone. Actually we should have made Iraq our 51st State. Then at least we would have had a reason to invade.

    Like it or not, we went into Iraq, over 4000 American troops were killed, the surge won the war, and Obama has lost the peace. So much blood and treasure lost thanks to the incompetence of this Administration and our Community Agitator President. No leadership skills at all. The Status of Forces Agreement was negotiated by Bush and squandered by Obama. On behalf of the three family members that I had who served in Iraq and the 4000+ Americans who died there let me express my disgust for this President, his Administration, and supporters. You people don't have a clue and we are in more danger today than when Obama took office.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the 1990s, when they conquered (most) of the country through their proxy, with regular support.
    So you'll link it? lol

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    Name one that Malaki has.
    oh, wait, John (crybaby) Boner.

    When TF did America become Iraq's ally? Before we invaded, or after we left?
    We were (and are) allies of the post-Saddam government from the time it was established. Our political leverage and intelligence influence were quite powerful when we still had a military presence in country.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Like it or not, we went into Iraq, over 4000 American troops were killed, the surge won the war, and Obama has lost the peace. So much blood and treasure lost thanks to the incompetence of this Administration and our Community Agitator President. No leadership skills at all. The Status of Forces Agreement was negotiated by Bush and squandered by Obama. On behalf of the three family members that I had who served in Iraq and the 4000+ Americans who died there let me express my disgust for this President, his Administration, and supporters. You people don't have a clue and we are in more danger today than when Obama took office.
    I think you'll like this thread:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/middle...s-failure.html

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Like it or not, we went into Iraq, over 4000 American troops were killed, the surge won the war, and Obama has lost the peace. So much blood and treasure lost thanks to the incompetence of this Administration and our Community Agitator President. No leadership skills at all. The Status of Forces Agreement was negotiated by Bush and squandered by Obama. On behalf of the three family members that I had who served in Iraq and the 4000+ Americans who died there let me express my disgust for this President, his Administration, and supporters. You people don't have a clue and we are in more danger today than when Obama took office.
    On behalf of all the military families who's children will not die or be maimed in another useless conflict in Iraq I want to express my admiration for this President.

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