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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Is ok that it falls because you didn't agree to go in?
    And what exactly makes you think you know what I was thinking 10 years ago? Or what I think today for that matter. Perhaps you should get your own house in order before you decide to clean someone else's clock.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    are you a secret communist ?
    Nope, because if that were ever to happen, I would want it to be a capitalist system via democracy.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Nope, because if that were ever to happen, I would want it to be a capitalist system via democracy.
    and teh head of that world government is ?
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    and teh head of that world government is ?
    Decided by a vote.
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    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Capster78 View Post
    Not entirely true. While the government in Iraq is indeed corrupt, it does not need to stay that way. If there was a reliable system where voters could vote out the corrupt like they do here in the US for the most part, this would eventually solve itself. The problem is the corrupt that get into office are hard to get out of office because there is little the Iraqi people can do to get them out of office once the US leaves. They have been conditioned to give in to the will of their dictators. It will take an outside power to come in and change that Or perhaps, like during the invasion of Kuwait, an outside power that invades them after their government goes to far. That is what the voters went in to vote for. There was a larger voter turnout in Iraq then there was in the US during our last election. And we don't have the threat of suicide bombers and terrorists mowing down people at polling stations. So your completely wrong when you say they don't want something that resembles the same freedom the US has.



    The US has Sunni, Shia, Kurds, black, white, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Russian, German...ect ect ect... But you don't see us with the problems Iraq has. The reason Iraq has the problems it has is because one group wants to rule the other two groups. A democratic system that allows all to be represented is what solves that problem. Dividing Iraq up wont solve those problems either. All it will do is create 3 warring countries.
    False analysis. Problem is the Iraqis don't use the democratic form of governance, a problem with Western Culture is it thinks it's form of governance is superior and only a few bad men would refuse to use it. many regions of the world have a highly developed tribal system that for good or ill pushes leaders up... not unlike our party system that has a city councilman eventually a US Senator.

    It is more bogus thought to claim anyone is 'conditioned' to dictatorship AND declare GAWD given rights live in all people's breasts. (BushII)

    What was wrong is we scrapped the existing system and tried to force our 'western' system on the Iraqis. They had a system that needed cleaning not scrapping. But just like throwing all ba'athists out of any and every job in Iraq BushII seemed intent on being deaf to everyone but his inner council- none of which gave a second's thought to anything but Neo-Con think tank position papers.

    Comparing the USofA and it's melting pot to tribal Iraq is yet another false comparison. We don't have 2000 years of history. We don't have large enclaves of different religious and tribal areas cobbled together by an outside power. (that said we do have enclaves of blacks some CONs point out as almost a separate land, a LIBstan of sorts, not to mention enclaves of white supremacists in the Rockies, in separation by gated community. We divide our nation into blue and red with some purple (do you listen to some of the overheated rhetoric throw around in here?)

    The difference is our tribal power structure (and try to be a GOP liberal these days ) doesn't have thousands of years of bitter fighting to create the divide Iraq has, though we seem heading that way...

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    Hope you survive the strike, I understand you not seeing it my way, how ever I hope you see I don't know how we stay in a country who didn't want us to remain, didn't roll over for an eventual 200,000 troop occupation force, but would somehow be impressed by a modest advisory and reaction force...

    There never was a victory, but there were thousands of Americans killed AFTER the fall of Saddam's government, Billions spent on bribing Sunnis and lull BushII tried to pass off as a victory.

    But we don't need anymore victories like that....
    Our intel and reaction support position with the government gave us enormous influence and helped Maliki make better choices. (Back now on iPad.)
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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    I am going to act like a Liberal here for a second...."Bush, Cheney and Halliburton will invade Iraq just to get the oil that is there". Now back to the real world. That two second of thinking like a Liberal really sucked.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    The insurgents are Sunni, rebelling against the Shia/secular government.
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Our intel and reaction support position with the government gave us enormous influence and helped Maliki make better choices. (Back now on iPad.)
    Like it did in Vietnam I guess.... I don't see the influence, enormous or otherwise, as Maliki was intent on sending the USofA troops packing ASAP. But just what size force you thinking of? Would it go out and about in the cities and villages or act as a velvet hand on Maliki's throat? Not REAL sure what better choices maliki made, seems the Kurds and Sunnis paid him no attention while the Shia militias seemed more intent on making demands than listening to Maliki's better choices

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    Re: Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Iraq insurgents take Saddam's home town in lightning advance



    Iraq is going down fast. The US should never have pulled troops out. We should have been resolved to be there for decades, like in Germany, Japan, and South Korea.
    Someone doesn't know that Iraq never invited us to stay and in fact kicked us out, it wouldn't have been possible to stay there for decades.

    How embarrassing for you that you don't know something so basic about this issue, course that won't stop you from forming an opinion or even reconsidering your current one, thats very sad.

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