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House Majority Leader Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger[W:243:247:349]

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jimbo said:
I think you are right. I think the Good Old Boy GOP establishment which has been Va politics for years is on its way out.

IMO, the real wake up call was missed in the state elections. The Good Ol' Boys left the Va voters with a choice between a crook and a crook. The other crook won, and brought the Lt Gov and AG with him. Cantor was/is part of the establishment. Like most of the country, Va is fed up with more of the same.
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Let's not forget that Virginia voted blue in 2008 and 2012 and they have a Democratic Governor, Lieut. Gov and both Senators are also good guys. The reality in national elections is that except for the south and the bible belt (which combined don't have enough electoral votes to elect a President) the Democrats are in great shape for 2016 which means 2020 too. Consider if Hillary serves 2 terms that Democrats will then have controlled the executive branch for 24 of 32 years...if it were baseball it would be The Yankees dynasty at their peak
 
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Painter said:
Wow, if I ever try to debate with PW400... please slap me.
I only agree with you about 85%, but good job man lol...
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PW4000, is definitely not liked by the conservative crowd around here. They've banned him from this thread and he created it when he replied to another member who tried to use the "truther" slur against him. Check it out earlier in the thread. And, yes. He is difficult to debate against.
 
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PW4000 said:
CNN reports now that Eric Cantor, Republican top-liner is gone. He was beaten by a Tea Party candidate. What does this say about the rest of the down-stream Republican Ticket in 2016, if Cantor, can't even hold on to his seat - which I am certain he thought he would/could retain?

Eric Cantor Dusted in Virginia.



"We've got some stuff falling. A little bit of stuff falling."

Gee. They are even feeling this in Los Angeles.
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It says the republican party is dying and the libertarian party is growing.

It says that there is no difference between a republican or a democrat.

With the direction our government is headed the Tea Party and the Libertarian party will only get bigger and bigger and bigger.

It's certainly a nightmare for progressives, republicans and democrats.
 
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Jack Fabulous said:
Ask a simple question, get a.... long winded, convoluted diatribe.:lol: Par for the course in Trutherville.

Rock on, Alex Jones.
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It is funny how you get to remain in this thread after you have clearly violated the rules. Where's the moderation of your brand of rule violations? Why don't we see Temp Suspension below our User ID, like we see for PW4000? The question asked was clearly answered and you had no sensible response that could handle it. Instead, you were allowed to continue with your off-topic negativity in a thread that had nothing to do with "truthers." So, you were bringing up a past thread's topic about 911 into this thread about Cantor's ousting - yet, you remain here. Why?
 
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House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's primary loss means Congress will soon say goodbye to its only Jewish Republican.
And not only that; it also means there will likely be no Republicans in Congress who profess to be anything other than a Christian.
According to data collected by the Pew Forum at the start of the 113th Congress last year, the GOP conference was 69 percent Protestant, 25 percent Catholic, 4 percent Mormon and 1 percent Orthodox Christian.
Cantor (Va.) was the only member of any other faith on the Republican side in either the House or the Senate -- out of 278 members. There are no non-religious Republicans in Congress either.
Here's how that looks:
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Read more The GOP just lost its only non-Christian in Congress
 
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Mr.Nick said:
It says the republican party is dying and the libertarian party is growing.

It says that there is no difference between a republican or a democrat.

With the direction our government is headed the Tea Party and the Libertarian party will only get bigger and bigger and bigger.

It's certainly a nightmare for progressives, republicans and democrats.
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Really? The question is this - if the size of the Libertarian Party does increase, from where will it obtain its extra size? Are those newly converted Democrats or Republicans? If Republicans, how will this move the party closer to the middle? If Democrat, how will the anti-left sentiment help it win broader appeal with moderate liberals?

I don't see the Libertarians benefiting from this. All I see is what you painted above - the Republican party imploding onto itself in full plain view of the public. Or, the Republican party finally going Supernova, over a 14 year period of all its hydrogen (read: hot air) being burned up at its core. The Red Giant stage was most likely between the election of W., and the invasion of Iraq. Everything else since has been a total disaster for that party.
 
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NIMBY said:
I am following your discussion with Zyph over the open primary issue.
FYI, X factor has a thread up on this but I haven't checked it yet today.
I also don't know if Virginia has a sore-loser's law, preventing Cantor from running as a 3rd-party in the fall.
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Thanks for that. I'll look for it.

NIMBY said:
As I often note, the 10th amendment is a pick-and-choose thing for GOPs .
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Not for me, but I agree with you. For instance, I don't support Obamacare, but would potentially support a state healthcare plan like Romneycare. As for the election process for federal positions, that should be a federal rule and not a Tenth Amendment issue.

Although, again, I can see your point. There are a number of these issues that the rabid right has that are not compatible with the Tenth Amendment - most of which have to do with our bedrooms. I've always said, that if the GOP would be less concerned with who we're having sex with or the way we're doing it or what we do afterwards, they could get a lot more people behind them. I told my Congressman (a long time good family friend before he ever ran for any office) that in my opinion the smaller government that the far right wants, is so small that it fits right inside everyone's bedroom. How can they be for less government, yet want the feds to regulate their idea of morality, which is not not just against the Tenth Amendment, but the First and in my opinion, the the Fourth.
 
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mmi said:
I think you did a fine job expressing yer views. I'm a fairly partisan Democrat, but I occasionally vote for Republicans. I agree with what you've said about primaries. It's a complicated issue, but in the end I think the system needs to discourage people from voting "insincerely."
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Thanks. I try but sometimes I let my mind wander, especially if I feel strongly about it.

As I said in another post, I've never voted straight ticket Republican.

mmi said:
A truly partisan Democrat would welcome a hard line by Republicans against immigration reform. It's strongly supported nationally and that support is likely to increase. If the GOP can be identified with strict opposition to immigration reform, Democratic candidates will benefit.
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I know this part wasn't for me, but I just wanted to say that I agree with your opinion, and have said almost the same in other posts in this thread. I think the Democrats would be hysterically happy to get another Tea Party intransigent in the House, especially with the 2016 Presidential election coming up. They can use every one of them to get their base and many moderates to get out to the polls and vote Democrat for President- which is not what I want, but...
 
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NIMBY said:
States writing their own rules for who votes in the primary is the very essence of the 10th amendment, so a DEM would oppose that.
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Democrats support the Constitution, so I don't know what yer talking about. If I'm interpreting what you said correctly, let me say that, within reason, I have no problem with states setting primary rules however they want. I'd also remind you that political parties have important input into primary rules.

Here's a page from FairVote.org that provides easy access to information about primary rules.

>> It is even more egregious when it involves Federal candidates from one region affecting those of another.

I don't know what that means.

>>People think this guy is elected. Wait until he speaks and removes all doubt about immigration and other "Akin" beliefs.

I of course hope the Democrat takes the seat, but it seems unlikely. I have a suspicion that Brat, if elected, may end up disappointing some on the Right.
 
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People are already comparing Brat, who has a doctorate in economics and masters in divinity, to Todd Akin?

Never mind that Todd Akin was never the Tea Party candidate. That was a liberal lie the media took and ran with.
 
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Travis007 said:
Good Lord.. thats nothing compared to your Dem heros...give me a break..SOROS= OBAMA..

Your vitriol is weak Romney leftover nonsense
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You do realize I've posted my ballot right?

It's embarrassing how weak your arguments are.

Cantor would sell out the Middle Class if Wall Street promised him $10 million in campaign donations. Oh...he already did.
 
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Daily Show was pretty awesome on this: Yes Virginia, there is a Cantor Loss.
 
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Bigfoot 88 said:
People are already comparing Brat, who has a doctorate in economics and masters in divinity, to Todd Akin?

Never mind that Todd Akin was never the Tea Party candidate. That was a liberal lie the media took and ran with.
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Given Brat's failure to answer very simple policy questions, Brat may end up saying something Akins like and torpedoing his campaign. That said, it's going to be real hard to lose that district for the GOP.
 
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The people who are attributing this to Brat's persona are seriously kidding themselves.
 
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Beaudreaux said:
If you didn't like Cantor... just wait. Another Ted Cruz just elected. The Tea Party in Congress has one response to anything... No. They don't have alternative ideas or stand for anything. All they do is stand against things.

This is a sad day for the GOP.

You know that Virginia is an Open Primary state where anyone, regardless of political affiliation, can vote in any primary? In other words, Democrats could have come out to vote against Cantor in the Republican Primary. That should not be legal. It has to be an infringement on the First Amendment Right of GOP voters that Democrats can vote in their primary, or vice versa. Hell, isn't that what the General Election is for?
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I agree. Dems shouldn't be allowed to stuff votes in another party's primary, Republicans shouldn't be allowed to run "fake Democrat" candidates or vice versa.
If there really is such a thing as "voter fraud" it isn't dishonest people presenting fake ID's at the polling place or crooked registrars and party ops stuffing boxes with votes from dead people, it's THIS right here.

And it's wrong no matter which party does it, too.
 
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And, in related News, Eric Cantor today has come out in favor of unemployment benefits. :mrgreen:
 
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Deuce said:
Another target for the Democrats is what that means. Depending on the level of nuttery of this particular candidate.
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Brat criticizes the political Right for simultaneously advancing the pursuit of individual liberty while pushing laws restricting abortion, gay marriage and gambling, and the Left for coercing others to "fund every social program under the sun."[39]
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David Brat’s Writings: Hitler

Good luck, because he doesn't sound all that extreme to me from what I've read here.
 
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danarhea said:
And, in related News, Eric Cantor today has come out in favor of unemployment benefits. :mrgreen:
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Has he not been in favor previously? Seems they've been handing out benefits left and right.
 
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Well first of all it's a tongue in cheek comment.
There actually IS something known as "Christian capitalism", just as there's also Islamic Banking Laws, and the like.
I question the notion however that Christianity is a source tool for the practice of an economic ideology beyond simple morals and ethics that
might be found in any established faith, but more importantly I question the notion that Christian capitalism gives license to the interpretation of
wealth generation because Christian scripture is open to so many interpretations and sub-sects that the first question is, WHICH Christian faith is considered
the standard?

Should we adhere to the tenets of Southern Baptists? What about Episcopals? Catholics? Unitarian Universalists? Seventh Day Adventists? Mormons?
And what about the Jews? Are they hereby cut out because they don't see Christ as the Messiah?

Generally speaking, Christ commands his followers to be generous, compassionate and mindful of the needs of the poor and he admonishes those who would
interpret their own great wealth as a sign that they are good practitioners of faith. He makes clear in his teachings that wealth on Earth is not the same as wealth in the Kingdom of Heaven.

That's in direct opposition to the currently popular "prosperity gospels" being hawked around the megachurch universe.
Thus we're already in the middle of theological arguments before we even start. And I call into question any notion that Christianity pays homage to any form of
socially darwinistic attitudes toward the less fortunate.

So for me at the very least, the question of Christianity being the most important template for an economic blueprint is not settled because interpretations of any religion are always unsettled, due to their nature.

I particularly take exception to fundamentalist interpretations of religion OR economics, or both.
 
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And then there's this of course...

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American said:
David Brat’s Writings: Hitler

Good luck, because he doesn't sound all that extreme to me from what I've read here.
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Wow, they are already becoming hysterical about him, as in that article. The guy is a solid conservative that supports the Constitution. The support of our Constitution should be the number one concern of any voter when they hit the voting booth.

Obviously, there are many in Congress, and the White House, that don't like our Constitution and want to get rid of it or ignore it. Thus, supporting the Constitution is considered "extreme" to them, just like our Founders.
 
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Looks good to me! The more extreme the right, the better chance for Democrats.
 
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