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House Majority Leader Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger[W:243:247:349]

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Work with Boehner and Obama? You mean like the lame duck session in December of 2010 where both sides gave and took. The repeal of DADT, the approval of START and the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts. I really doubt it. I have been concentrating on the seats in the senate that might switch. Mississippi isn't going to switch no matter who the Republican nominee is. If whoever is the Dem nominee can get within single digits, then I will start paying attention. If the race was considered safe, I really haven't looked at them.

This is June, once the primaries are over, I am sure foot in mouth disease will strike. There are some Republicans that can't help themselves. It seems to me the establishment Republicans worry and want to win election and are not so pure ideological drive. The Tea Party wants pure ideological candidates and are not that interested in winning. By that I mean the Tea Party are very happy to beat a more moderate, less ideological pure candidate in the Republican primaries even if they know that candidate has no chance of winning in the fall and guarentees the seat will go to the Democrats. Of course in some states and in some districts, the ideological will win in the fall with VA-7 and Mississippi being prime examples. But not in places like Indiana, Missouri or even perhaps Georgia.

If the Tea Party really thinks the way they seem to, it's baffling to me. That's akin to winning a battle but losing the war, because it could win a seat for a Democrat that theoretically stands for everything they claim they are against! Is that possible? Weird political thinking on their part, if true.

Good morning, Pero. :2wave:
 
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The Romney and Cantor polls were internal polls. As I said in the other thread, the GOP has a serious data problem. The national polls had Obama ahead by, basically, exactly what he won by.

Gallup had Romney winning. That wasn't an internal poll.
 
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This must have a whole lot of politicians on both sides of the aisle quaking in their boots. About damned time.

I hope this gets lots of press. This editorial describes an arrogant man surrounded by arrogant staff who decided to focus their legislative prowess on running for Speaker of the House instead of their constituents.

Cantor's $4 million campaign spend compared to his opponent's $122,000 spend. Just imagine. An incumbent beaten by a $122,000 man. A man who favored amnesty against a virtual nobody who was against it.

Perhaps there is hope.

Why Cantor lost | Fox News

Even though 122k is alot of money, its nice to see that a the "little guy" actually can win.
 
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If the Tea Party really thinks the way they seem to, it's baffling to me. That's akin to winning a battle but losing the war, because it could win a seat for a Democrat that theoretically stands for everything they claim they are against! Is that possible? Weird political thinking on their part, if true.

Good morning, Pero. :2wave:

Not really. Not in their minds. But keep in mind what I said earlier was more of a blanket statement, it doesn't apply to all Tea party folks. The idea is to cleanse the party first and if by doing so means Democrats get elected in the fall, so be it. Aiken, Mourdock, Angle, O'Donnell are prime examples of this. None could win in November, but they could keep a more moderate Republican from winning in November and that was a victory for them. They want to keep any RINO from winning, their term. This is where the Democrats have the huge advantage, they are more interested in winning elections and ideology pure candidates. The Tea Party only wants ideological pure candidates even if they can't win in November.

But in certain districts and states, the tea party is very popular, just not across the country as a whole.
 
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Even without Cantor the 7th could very easily still go Republican...if it does and this sends a message to the GOP regarding immigration then I'll consider it a win. I don't think Cantor was a prime candidate for primarying out, but I can understand that part of it was symbolic in nature
 
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Even without Cantor the 7th could very easily still go Republican...if it does and this sends a message to the GOP regarding immigration then I'll consider it a win. I don't think Cantor was a prime candidate for primarying out, but I can understand that part of it was symbolic in nature

Brat will win it ... very little question about that.
It's a classic ... the ex-seminary student vs the vampire devotee.
It's a political cartoonist's dream matchup.
 
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It's tiny start. What we need to do is get all the members of congress replaced and keep replacing them into the future. A revolving door will have less time to become corrupt.
 
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Another target for the Democrats is what that means. Depending on the level of nuttery of this particular candidate.

Apologizing for the name calling thing. My attempt at humor was out of line
 
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Even without Cantor the 7th could very easily still go Republican...if it does and this sends a message to the GOP regarding immigration then I'll consider it a win. I don't think Cantor was a prime candidate for primarying out, but I can understand that part of it was symbolic in nature


Considering that the Democrats in VA didn't primary anyone to run against Cantor and just named a candidate on Monday as an after thought, I think it's not going to be likely that their guy with no name recognition will break out in November.

This was not a fight the DNC was budgeting for and they probably still won't.
 
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Well said, CJ. For a Canucklehead ;), you seem to understand the way things work and SHOULD work better than most Americans!

Thanks, but basically I know how things should work and wish they worked but I don't seem to get my wish as often as I'd like. Right now we have a provincial election and the current Liberal government should be wiped off the map they've been so corrupt and spendthrift, but we have a sufficient number of self-interested butt-heads and public sector union enablers to give them a chance to get reelected. It makes me sick. Teachers, police, firefighters, etc., all the usual public sector groups, like to talk about how they are involved in noble professions and care about the people they serve, but they don't give a damn about the province's financial well being or solvency - they care only about how much they can screw the taxpayer out of for salary, benefits, and gold-plated pensions.
 
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Thanks, but basically I know how things should work and wish they worked but I don't seem to get my wish as often as I'd like. Right now we have a provincial election and the current Liberal government should be wiped off the map they've been so corrupt and spendthrift, but we have a sufficient number of self-interested butt-heads and public sector union enablers to give them a chance to get reelected. It makes me sick. Teachers, police, firefighters, etc., all the usual public sector groups, like to talk about how they are involved in noble professions and care about the people they serve, but they don't give a damn about the province's financial well being or solvency - they care only about how much they can screw the taxpayer out of for salary, benefits, and gold-plated pensions.

Obama is better than Stephen Harper.
 
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I think you are missing the major points of what just happened last night. Corporatism just took a huge blow as it has been the U.S. Chamber of Commerce who have been lobbying Republicans for amnesty of illegals........ cheap labor. Cantor, Boehner, Ryan and McCarthy have all been carrying the water to push for amnesty. What is at the heart of the split in the Republican party is the corporatist Republican establishment versus the Tea Party capitalists. Tea Party capitalists had a huge victory last night and no doubt will have a rippling effect throughout the Republican establishment.

Isn't it funny how liberals like to discount conservatives who vote single issues and punish their own and consider it "eating their own" but they applaud their side when they enforce the abortion litmus test, as an example, and their so called "big tent" is simply made up of a bunch of very active and vocal single issue special interest groups.
 
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Do you notice why Indiana and Missouri's senate seats remained in democratic hands in 2012?

In Indiana, the republicans primaried senator Richard Luger, a muti term incumbent, as not conservative enough. The guy who intended to replace Luger, Richard mourdock, proved too far right for the general election and lost the seat to the democrat.

And Luger, the RINO that he is, did not support Mourdock. That sure tells you a lot. Mourdock was not far right, he just supported the Constitution. Although, that may be considered "far right" today.

As for Missouri, the republican canidate, Todd akin, was simply too extreme for the voters and rejected him in favor of keeping the democrat.
Akin would have won, until he said something stupid. Then, the left and the press (one in the same) ran with that, and none of the issues mattered anymore, just his one statement.
 
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Obama is better than Stephen Harper.

And yet Stephen Harper has been Prime Minister for 8 years, another year left in this mandate, and he's likely to get reelected next year - and let's not forget, Harper is respected more in the international sphere than Obama. Harper is a man of principle, Obama is a man of backscratching and payback. But Obama might be better than Harper at golf - he has, after all, spent his entire Presidency honing his skills on the course while Harper has been busy being a leader.
 
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And yet Stephen Harper has been Prime Minister for 8 years, another year left in this mandate, and he's likely to get reelected next year

I'm not going to make this debate about Stephen Harper, I just find your hypocrisy hilarious. No one likes Harper except hardcore Canadian conservatives (and of course American conservatives... and Israel). If Canadians re-elect Harper, how are they different from Americans who have re-elected Obama (who you consistently take a dump on)?
 
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VA is an open primary state, I would be curious how many Dems voted for him. I am sure some did. As for Dems voting in in GOP primaries, Umm no that is not a 1st amendment issue.

How can it not at least be a First Amendment issue? The primary is where each party has its members choose who they wish to have represent them in the General Election. If the party's members voice is nullified by members of the other party, it is suppression of speech. Regardless of which party. The General Election is where each side has the opportunity to vote for their candidate and/or against the other candidate. What an open primary allows, is the other party to interfere with the franchise right and the First Amendment right of the other party's members.

It should be illegal to do so. Regardless of party.
 
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You want "liberal policies" that work? Crime policy. Violent crime has dropped significantly in the last 20+ years, thanks largely to Democratic policies (although again, I hesitate to refer to the Democrats as "liberal"). Just off the top of my head.


show me.. your words are meaningless.. and to me nothing but spin and nonsense.. like what policy?
 
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What polling data re: Obama are you looking at?

are you serious .. you really dont know... ?
 
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That is such a phenomenally disingenuous accusation, winky-emoticon or no.

you will be wipied out over this off the wall postion that the Dems are "pro all women"..
 
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I'm not going to make this debate about Stephen Harper, I just find your hypocrisy hilarious. No one likes Harper except hardcore Canadian conservatives (and of course American conservatives... and Israel). If Canadians re-elect Harper, how are they different from Americans who have re-elected Obama (who you consistently take a dump on)?

If you weren't going to make this about Stephen Harper, why did you bring him up?

People in Canada keep voting for Stephen Harper and his government because he's a good leader and his government has been very successful - just check around the world and see which country is admired for their stewardship of their finances and economy since the 2007/2008 financial crisis - which country has consistently led the G7 in economic performance during that time - I guarantee it won't be America and Obama.

I have no idea why some Americans voted to reelect Obama - I'm not a mental health professional.
 
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If the party's members voice is nullified by members of the other party, it is suppression of speech.

No, it's not, because you're using a false equivilency.

If two people vote, and each vote for a different person, neither of them is "nullifying" the other persons vote. Rather, each is giving one vote for their given candidate. If they were actually "nullifying" each other's vote then the tally would not increase, as that vote would cease to exist within the system.

There is no supression of speech here. For there to be a supression of speech individuals would have to be kept from that speech...which is not the case. Rather, others are simply ALSO engaging in speech.

If I say RED is the best color in the world and you come over and say "No, BLUE is the best color in the world", your comment didn't "nullify" mine or "surpress" mine simply because it went a different direction. Rather, both of our instances of speech stand seperately.
 
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If you weren't going to make this about Stephen Harper, why did you bring him up?

Because you are a Canadian criticizing Obama's failures and crapping on the people who re-elected him. Turnabout is fair play.

People in Canada keep voting for Stephen Harper and his government because he's a good leader and his government has been very successful - just check around the world and see which country is admired for their stewardship of their finances and economy since the 2007/2008 financial crisis - which country has consistently led the G7 in economic performance during that time - I guarantee it won't be America and Obama.

Canada weathered the financial crisis because Canada has a different banking system. Harper wants to make the Canada more like the US in virtually every respect, and has rejected economist warnings that Canada might not survive the next crisis if it doesn't do better with regulation and oversight.

In terms of foreign policy, Harper has been a JOKE and an embarrassment to the nation. The only thing Harper had to do was stay neutral in the Israel/Palestinian conflict, and he couldn't even do that.

I have no idea why some Americans voted to reelect Obama - I'm not a mental health professional.

I have no idea why some Canadians voted to reelect Harper -- I'm not a mental health professional.
 
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Good. I like No. Its a fine word and the most powerful. The more its said in Washington the better.

Saying the word no is not the problem, and I agree that's it's a good word to use, especially in DC. The problem is no alternatives from the Tea Party and no ability to get anything done even if they did.

On immigration, there are laws already on the books now, that would secure the border, hold employers criminally and civilly liable for hiring illegals, and do nothing toward further amnesty. And, that... that was what Cantor stood for. The Democrats and the Tea Party inaccurately said that Cantor was in favor of amnesty - the Democrats so they could spin his willingness to even talk to them, ans the Tea Party so they could spin his willingness to talk as some sort of being a traitor to "the cause."
 
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