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House Majority Leader Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger[W:243:247:349]

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You have a ligitament argument and it's closer to legal voter fraud and we have the same thing now in California. It was the Democrats who have pushed for open primaries. I wonder why ?

First, I while I agree that this is reprehensible, immoral and downright shady, I wouldn't call it "legal fraud". Fraud by its very nature requires the person to engage in something that is illegal. Second, I don't see this as a left-right wing issue. I see it as an issue that is potentially damaging to any party. However, there is precedent. In the 2008 election Rush Limbaugh asked Republicans to vote against Barack Obama in states with open primaries and by switching parties. His little foray into politics actually had results and Obama lost 2 important races (Texas & Ohio) soon after. The AG of Ohio (a Democrat) refused to file charges on the basis that doing so would constitute as

1) a violation of the freedom of association clause
2) a violation of Limbaugh's right to freedom of speech

Limbaugh safe from voter-fraud charges | The Columbus Dispatch

Again, I find this immoral and completely reprehensible but it's not illegal or without precedent from both sides.
 
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that you dont understand and post nonsense is not for me to debate as you obviously do not get even what stop and frisk is and since its been stopped in NYC the murder rate has climbed..

what party just overturned Stop and Frisk?... take a guess

Got to love it - a 'conservative' supporting a policy of stopping and frisking people on the streets for no reason other than they look suspicious. I just wonder what would happen if the cops in, say, Texas stopped 700,000 Real Americans/year on their way into the local gun store, or in the parking lot of the local malls....
 
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I live in the USA..Im not sure what country you are from..

and you answer was a white flag.. you have nothing..

color me shocked.. did Hillary write that nonsense?

You want "liberal policies" that work? Crime policy. Violent crime has dropped significantly in the last 20+ years, thanks largely to Democratic policies (although again, I hesitate to refer to the Democrats as "liberal"). Just off the top of my head.
 
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The Tea Party movement wasn't as large in California as it was in most of the other states.

Those who would have been on board have probably already left the state.

Funny, those who use to keep California tax coffers full have left the state.

Now people like Bill Maher have to pay more than their fair share and Maher isn't a happy camper with California's taxes.

I wonder if HBO's "Real Time" will soon be moving to Texas ?

Could be. Here in Georgia we got a lot of those who kept the coffer's full in New England to move down here and a lot of them brought their businesses with them. Lower state taxes and a heck of a lot less regulations and mandates. People do vote with their feet, if they can afford it and Georgia has welcomed them New England Yankees.
 
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Where is the yawn smilie face?

I could care less about yet another Washington paid lackey biting the dust..he will just be replaced by another useless, paid lackey.

Imo, 95+% of those who serve in Congress are corrupt and/or staggeringly ignorant/stupid.

I literally feel that a dog could do a better job running America - little would get done, but at least Fido would not be making it worse (like the mostly losers their now do).


The really sad thing is that most Americans actually seem to think these people actually help the nation.

:lamo
 
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Keep up the nonsense and spin.. Its all you ever have.. ITS SPOT ON THE SUBJECT to why Cantor was taken down for going along with Obama..

lets make it short..

Q:tell me a Lib policy that is working?.. much like a list of Hillarys accomplishments it shouldnt take you long..

and after that strike out by you you can grab more pine with the below follow up question

Q:tell me one that has made me more safe..

this should be priceless

I will take a stab at your two questions, as long as you are willing to accept Liberal = Democratic. Which I am not, but for the purpose of the thread I will.
 
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Lol, you don't convert to a Republican to get elected in New Mexico. I live in a part of Texas that borders New Mexico (yes I can see New Mexico from my house, lol) and I remember that race. She won on a platform of not granting divers licenses to illegal immigrants, which sounds like a reasonable position to me.

I wonder how many of Martinez older relatives had drivers licenses when they were illegal?
And how are her current scandals going?
Different strokes when you're a GOP eh Xy?

As for Cantor, I now look for him to work with Boehner and Ryan to get back at current cutthroat TEAts in the House.
The "Hastert" rule only says "half" of the GOP caucus.
That's 117 members and should be easy to get.
Though you may not want to admit it, in the long run it's best for the GOP to get things done before the election .
 
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Only in the way current con posters think can a Cantor loss be a Democratic loss.
The current revolution is within the conservative ranks--continue to have at it .
 
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Could be. Here in Georgia we got a lot of those who kept the coffer's full in New England to move down here and a lot of them brought their businesses with them. Lower state taxes and a heck of a lot less regulations and mandates. People do vote with their feet, if they can afford it and Georgia has welcomed them New England Yankees.

I remember California's first exodus from the state, late 1970's and early 1980's. The destinations were Atlanta Georgia and the DFW and Houston areas of Texas.

Wait a sec, Jerry Brown was Governor back then. You don't think :thinking
 
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Cantor deserved this for obstructing the Presidency since election night 2008.
And the one issue Cantor wasn't a TEA-loon on, he got a huge DOSE of GOP-demonization at the local level.
Cantor deserved this for demeaning amnesty for criminals here in our nation in violation of our immigration policies.
Cantor waffled on immigration, trying to please all factions of the GOP.
We all know that is impossible.
 
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But you have been "quiet" when it comes to the Mississippi primary in two weeks.
Linc has pegged McDaniel since last year, as you know.
Think Dems and their contributors sat up tonite?

You've been expecting a Mourdock/Akin moment, but none of us can predict these tsunamis/rogue waves in politics.

Now, Cantor may actually work with Boehner and Obama on Real-Life problems .
I think the open primaries worked to the republicans advantage this year, at least concerning their senate nominations. There is a runoff scheduled for July 22 between Perdue and Kingston. But the tea party favorites lost big time, Broun, Gingrey and handal.

But I didn't vote in the Republican this year, I voted in the Democratic one.
 
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I wonder how many of Martinez older relatives had drivers licenses when they were illegal?
And how are her current scandals going?
Different strokes when you're a GOP eh Xy?

Indeed it is, it's like how liberals claim to be all for women and minorities unless it's a woman and a minority and she happens to be Republican then, suddenly, their accomplishments are not so laudable any more. ;)

As for Cantor, I now look for him to work with Boehner and Ryan to get back at current cutthroat TEAts in the House.
The "Hastert" rule only says "half" of the GOP caucus.
That's 117 members and should be easy to get.
Though you may not want to admit it, in the long run it's best for the GOP to get things done before the election .

It's not a matter of not wanting to admit anything, it's more a matter of extreme distrust of someone like you expressing what's really good for the party that you just as soon didn't even exist. No offense.
 
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Indeed it is, it's like how liberals claim to be all for women and minorities unless it's a woman and a minority and she happens to be Republican then, suddenly, their accomplishments are not so laudable any more. ;)

That is such a phenomenally disingenuous accusation, winky-emoticon or no.
 
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First, I while I agree that this is reprehensible, immoral and downright shady, I wouldn't call it "legal fraud".
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Again, I find this immoral and completely reprehensible but it's not illegal or without precedent from both sides.

I find it hard to describe a legal tactic involving voting in an election either reprehensible or immoral. It is somewhat shady, in my view, but politics is a shady enterprise.

Besides, from what I know of past efforts, they don't make a big difference in the outcome. I suspect Cantor lost all by himself, and it was because his GOP constituents wanted the other guy. And if a bunch of democrats were motivated enough to see him gone to get off their couches and vote, good for them. That's what elections are all about.
 
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Indeed it is, it's like how liberals claim to be all for women and minorities unless it's a woman and a minority and she happens to be Republican then, suddenly, their accomplishments are not so laudable any more. ;)
What do women have to do with this part of my post you quoted?
Is this your "style" of debating with a stunner upset of Cantor?
I wouldn't expect you to be deflecting like Travis and Apache.
Check out all of your posts--almost nothing on Cantor. :lamo



It's not a matter of not wanting to admit anything, it's more a matter of extreme distrust of someone
like you expressing what's really good for the party that you just as soon didn't even exist. No offense.
Trust is a two-way street, as we've seen from the many tentacles of the GOP since 2008.
Christ Almighty, you guys Can'tor even get along with each other.

Try the part where I mentioned Hastert/Cantor/Boehner/Ryan--who will lead tomorrow ?
 
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Indeed it is, it's like how liberals claim to be all for women and minorities unless it's a woman and a minority and she happens to be Republican then, suddenly, their accomplishments are not so laudable any more.
Yes, and that's been demonstrated repeatedly. The same is true for Blacks.
 
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That is such a phenomenally disingenuous accusation, winky-emoticon or no.

I was responding in kind to an accusation made against me (but, of course, that you have no problem with). However, there is some truth to it. When it comes to conservative women and minorities many of the same folks who claim we're the ones that aren't sensitive or PC enough suddenly have no problem hurling around or defending race based insults like "Uncle Tom" and gender based insults like "Bimbo". It demonstrates, for those people, that their high sounding ideals are a fraud and simply partisan based.
 
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I find it hard to describe a legal tactic involving voting in an election either reprehensible or immoral.
It is somewhat shady, in my view, but politics is a shady enterprise.
Republicans are ones to talk after they forced the need for the 17th amendment.
Good thing President T. Roosevelt was a progress--ive.
 
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You know that Virginia is an Open Primary state where anyone, regardless of political affiliation, can vote in any primary? In other words, Democrats could have come out to vote against Cantor in the Republican Primary. That should not be legal. It has to be an infringement on the First Amendment Right of GOP voters that Democrats can vote in their primary, or vice versa. Hell, isn't that what the General Election is for?


You open up a can of worms in my opinion. I think Parties are the problem, not the solution. The divide The People and they cause the worst in natural human tendency to come out. They foster group think and groupie behavior. They encourage going along to get along even when the best interest of the entire country is not being addresses. We don't need political parties anymore - political parties themselves should be outlawed. What we need is a system of National Managers openly and publicly elected by The People without party platform or party affiliation. We can keep the same number of Senate and House seats and even retain the names of both houses (The U.S. Senate and The House of Representatives). But, the titles would change of those we send the Washington to reflect to new model: Senate Manager William Douglas, for example and House Manager Sally Rhodes as another.

We would retain the office of the President and the four (4) year election cycle for that position. The President's formal title would be National Chief Executive Officer, or NCEO. The U.S. Supreme Court would see no changes. The balance of power the founders wanted would remain intact. However, the way in which the Peoples business gets handled would be entirely different and the People would become the fourth (4) ratifying vote on bills and legislation coming out of both Houses of Congress. The People would have final veto power through an open national vote. This places more power more closely into the hands of the people on fiscal, monetary, social and international policy issues. How would monetary policy be handled? First, we would abolish the 1913 Federal Reserve - period - full stop. Monetary Policy would originate in the Senate, be voted on by a full chamber, approved by the President and placed up for National Vote by The People (this process would probably get dubbed the Veto Vote) for final acceptance before becoming active policy. Once again, placing greater control over the nation's business into the hands of the People.

This model would still be representative form of government - but it would also become a true Republic and not one in name only. It would finally be of the People, by the People and for the People as Lincoln would have thought of it. This model would also require more engagement from the People and a higher degree of civil duty and responsibility from the People as well. There is no free ride. You cannot claim you want more control on the one hand, yet be apathetic and disengaged when it comes time for National Votes on the other. In any case, those who vote will win the day, just as it is right now. The huge difference being that if the majority become apathetic and fail to show up at the polls for the National Vote, then the minority who did take the time to vote will have their way - but it will be The People having their way and not the Politicians in Washington. That's the major difference.

This system can work. The People would need to be sincere about implementing it, however. This is just an overview. The details and rules on how Managers are allowed to conduct themselves while in Congress would be completely changed as well. All the current congressional rules are established to perpetuate a Political System based on Party. Those rules will no longer have a place in the new model because all Managers will be working towards fulfilling the requirements of a metric for success established and voted on by the People, for each element of the nation's business under management. Therefore, the Managers only goal will be to optimize the process of fulfilling the public mandates established by the People in the National Business Metrics Library - aka - The Library of Metrics. In other words, we are going to run our country like a well oiled and highly optimized machine that acts for the benefit of all U.S. Citizens and not for the operators of the system (as it is today). On social matters, the goals are simple: Fairness, Equality, Integrity, Quality and No American Left Behind. The legislative agenda that deals with social matters would have its own set of Metrics based on those principles.

Where the Private Sector is better suited for the job, government steps out of its own way and establishes contracts with the private sector for the fulfillment of National Needs. Since we hire Managers and not Congressional Representatives in the new model, all private sector relationships would be overseen by a Management Committee out of Congress, since they will no longer be wasting their time in useless sub-committees cutting back-room deals and clogging the wheels of progress.

We can have a much better system of government - if we really want it.
 
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I was responding in kind to an accusation made against me (but, of course, that you have no problem with). However, there is some truth to it. When it comes to conservative women and minorities many of the same folks who claim we're the ones that aren't sensitive or PC enough suddenly have no problem hurling around or defending race based insults like "Uncle Tom" and gender based insults like "Bimbo". It demonstrates, for those people, that their high sounding ideals are a fraud and simply partisan based.

No one is hurling insults.
You're in full-deflection mode tonite.

Anything but Cantor tonight right Xy?
Does Your Texas have a sore losers law?
Can Cantor run as an independent third-party in Virginia as current "RINO" female GOP Senator Murkowski of Alaska did ?
 
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What do women have to do with this part of my post you quoted?
Is this your "style" of debating with a stunner upset of Cantor?
I wouldn't expect you to be deflecting like Travis and Apache.
Check out all of your posts--almost nothing on Cantor. :lamo




Trust is a two-way street, as we've seen from the many tentacles of the GOP since 2008.
Christ Almighty, you guys Can'tor even get along with each other.

Try the part where I mentioned Hastert/Cantor/Boehner/Ryan--who will lead tomorrow ?

Am I, in some way, supposed to be upset that Cantor lost? I like the guy well enough but I actually think it's a good thing for politicians to know that they're not entitled to any elected position.
 
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Virginia has open primaries. Rasmussen had Cantor with a 34-point lead.

My guess: Democrats turned out in droves to vote for the other guy.


Rasmussen, had me with a 35-point lead and I was nowhere near the state of Virginia!
 
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No one is hurling insults.
You're in full-deflection mode tonite.

I didn't say you hurled any insults, I said you made an accusation against me (and you did). Just remember that claims of hypocrisy always cut both ways.

Anything but Cantor tonight right Xy?
Does Your Texas have a sore losers law?
Can Cantor run as an independent third-party in Virginia as current "RINO" female GOP Senator Murkowski of Alaska did ?

Who's the sore loser? Me? Why do you think I have some devotion to Cantor? He lost to a TEA party guy? Good for the TEA party guy.
 
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