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House Majority Leader Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger[W:243:247:349]

Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

Since the thread topic is Cantor not the corruption in California, educate yourself.

YOU were the one who claimed that it was Democrats who pushed for open primaries, something that is VERY RELEVANT to Cantor. I gave a clear example that contradicts your statement.

So, again. Citation needed.

What's wrong with an open primary? It's one of the things I like best about Texas.

I'm not arguing for or against them. I was simply calling APACHE's claim about them into question.
 
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Do you notice why Indiana and Missouri's senate seats remained in democratic hands in 2012?

In Indiana, the republicans primaried senator Richard Luger, a muti term incumbent, as not conservative enough. The guy who intended to replace Luger, Richard mourdock, proved too far right for the general election and lost the seat to the democrat.

As for Missouri, the republican canidate, Todd akin, was simply too extreme for the voters and rejected him in favor of keeping the democrat.

Also see Colorado in 2010, Alaska in 2010, Nevada in 2010.
 
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I know what stop and frisk is. And I'm saying that in an earlier thread, it was claimed that stop and frisk was a "liberal policy."

NYC's murder rate has NOT climbed. Shootings have, but the murder rate has not.

Even as shootings rise, murder rate falls in New York City



That said, there's little evidence to suggest the correlation between the correlative relationship between more shootings and less stop-and-frisk is a causative one, especially given that a. S&F still exists, and b. the increase in shootings has also been attributed to an increase in gang activity that predates de Blasio.

Stop-and-Frisk Data | New York Civil Liberties Union (NYCLU) - American Civil Liberties Union of New York State

Youre a non stop Obama spin machine..

again your Libs policies dont work.. they cant work.. their not even meant to work but enslave..

funny how you dont focus on Clintons lib policy of not prosecuting the first WTC attack as an act of war.. which led to 9/11

and you make my points for me...stopping stop and frisk is a NIGHTMARE as the Cop have stopped putting their lives and job on the line and the murder rate will climb quickly as IT JUST STARTED.. do you read our links? they are laughable comedy.. pure lib spin.. their insane reason for not more murders by shooting is "better EMS"??? ... are you joking?

The real headline is " 13 percent increase in shootings in a few short months since stop and frisk stopped by liberals"

This is called LIFE OR DEATH

Clinton failed us.. Obama is a DISASTER..

any more "huh"?.
 
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Youre a non stop Obama spin machine..

Stop and frisk has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Neither does refuting your specious claims.

again you Libs policies dont work.. they cant work.. their not even meant to work but enslave..

This is hyperpartisan nonsense.

funny how you dont focus on Clintons lib policy of not prosecuting the first WTC attack as an act of war.. which led to 9/11

Because it's not even remotely germane to the topic, nor is it particularly an accurate assessment of anything.

and you make my points for me...stopping stop and frisk is a NIGHTMARE as the Cop have stopped putting their lives and job on the line and the murder rate will climb quickly as IT JUST STARTED..

You mean the murder rate that hasn't climbed?

Clinton failed us.. Obama is a DISASTER...

Cool story, G.
 
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Georgia is and I like it that way. I probably have no business in voting in either the Republican or Democratic Primaries as a Reform Party Member, but what the heck. We don't have party registration, you are just registered to vote, period. But once you vote in the primary, if there is a runoff, you can't switch from Democratic to Republican to vote in the runoff or vice versa. You must vote in the runoff of the party you originally voted in in the primary.

Texas is just like that and I like it too. Where I live, you almost can't win unless you run as a Democrat so a lot of local races are decided in the primary. Because I want to have some say in our judges and local representatives I probably vote in more Dem primaries than Republican ones.
 
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Says the guy who originally brought up California into this thread in the first place.

I don't expect Kobie to know much on what's happening on the Left Coast or even in America for the fact.

But it would be nice if the Democrats would clean their house in California and not using illegal alien toilet scrubbers.

The Democrats in California are in the sack with the unions just like Cantor was with big business and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

That one Democrat legislature who got popped for gun running was on the ballot and he still got what was it, 15,000 votes ? ****ing unbelievable.
 
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I don't expect Kobie to know much on what's happening on the Left Coast or even in America for the fact.

But it would be nice if the Democrats would clean their house in California and not using illegal alien toilet scrubbers.

The Democrats in California are in the sack with the unions just like Cantor was with big business and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

That one Democrat legislature who got popped for gun running was on the ballot and he still got what was it, 15,000 votes ? ****ing unbelievable.

Completely off topic, as well as a not-so-thinly-veiled personal attack.
 
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I don't expect Kobie to know much on what's happening on the Left Coast or even in America for the fact.

But it would be nice if the Democrats would clean their house in California and not using illegal alien toilet scrubbers.

The Democrats in California are in the sack with the unions just like Cantor was with big business and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

That one Democrat legislature who got popped for gun running was on the ballot and he still got what was it, 15,000 votes ? ****ing unbelievable.

The jungle primary system is a different kettle of fish than the open primary.
 
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YOU were the one who claimed that it was Democrats who pushed for open primaries,

.

You're doing it again, making **** up and taking my quote out of context. You deleted my reference to California.
 
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Stop and frisk has absolutely nothing to do with Obama. Neither does refuting your specious claims.



This is hyperpartisan nonsense.



Because it's not even remotely germane to the topic, nor is it particularly an accurate assessment of anything.



You mean the murder rate that hasn't climbed?



Cool story, G.

Keep up the nonsense and spin.. Its all you ever have.. ITS SPOT ON THE SUBJECT to why Cantor was taken down for going along with Obama..

lets make it short..

Q:tell me a Lib policy that is working?.. much like a list of Hillarys accomplishments it shouldnt take you long..

and after that strike out by you you can grab more pine with the below follow up question

Q:tell me one that has made me more safe..

this should be priceless
 
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Greetings, NIMBY. :2wave:

I have never heard President Obama referred to as the "deporter-in-chief." Whoever called him that? I always thought he was in favor of open borders, except for criminals. :confused:

Saying Obama is for open borders is like saying you've never heard of Obama being criticized for his record level of deportations.
Laughable when compared to the amnesty President, Ronald Wilson Reagan, another Illinois boy.

Hispanic-American groups have been furious at Obama for his recort-level deportations.
Obama's been waiting for Cantor's immigration stance before another round of deportations--Cantor may stab the TEAs now on immigration.

Illinois is known for "normal" Republicans compared to the rest of the Nation.
We are at least in the ballpark when compared to the historical influence of Ohio in the GOP >
 
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You're doing it again, making **** up and taking my quote out of context. You deleted my reference to California.

did you really expect anything more from Kobie?
 
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Intersting.

I think the open primaries worked to the republicans advantage this year, at least concerning their senate nominations. There is a runoff scheduled for July 22 between Perdue and Kingston. But the tea party favorites lost big time, Broun, Gingrey and handal.

But I didn't vote in the Republican this year, I voted in the Democratic one.
 
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I think that many conservatives cheering this aren't really seeing the big picture.

At worst, the fact that Virginia has open primaries puts serious doubt as to just why he won the election. If Democrats actually fiddled with the voting and sent themselves out in droves to vote for Brat. Republicans are in for a horrible upset when the election actually takes place. In American politics, spending means winning. Cantor spent 5 million and Brat spent about 1/25th of that. How did he win? He had no exposure. He got verbal support from talking heads but even as the race drew nearer, Cantor was still the clear winner. What happened? Foul play from Democrats? It can't be proved, but it's more than likely. What strengthens my bias towards that idea is the fact that at the last minute, Democrats found a candidate to run against "whomever" won. Suspicious to say the least. Cantor actually knew well ahead of time that Democrats may try to change the outcome of the race. Interestingly enough: Cantor himself accused his opponent of enticing Democrats to do just that.

What's more damaging for Republicans at home is that now Eric Cantor, who may for the most part have been a solid right winger has been replaced by someone who is A) an unknown an B) further to the right. While hardline Republicans may be rejoicing at Brat's win, it'll simply mean that Republicans may now have another uncompromising figure who is not in line with the more center right values of the average American. Will he alienate Independents? Of course he will but he may make up for it by revitalizing some constituents who may have otherwise stayed home.

At best, if this guy won on his own merit (IMHO: plausible, but unlikely) this is a bad sign for Democrats and Republicans alike. It means we might be seeing the start of a shift in politics. Candidates with little exposure, shoe string budgets and zero experience in politics can now win landslide victories by piggybacking the opinions of well known commentators. As implausible as that sounds, it may have just happened and he may be the first in a long line of left wing and right wing candidates who win because of their opinions and not how much money they have.


I agree with this. This is a major short term win. The question is what does it mean in the long term...
 
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Keep up the nonsense and spin.. Its all you ever have..

lets make it short..

Q:tell me a Lib policy that is working?.. much like a list of Hillarys accomplishments it shouldnt take you long..

and after that strike out by you you can grab more pine with the below follow up question

Q:tell me one that has made me more safe..

this should be priceless

Eric Cantor????

Look for Eric Cantor to knife the TEAts now and give Boehner an immigration bill.
Cantor will go down doing what's best for the GOP establishment, blunting the Dem's advantage on immigration and blunting the TEAts .
 
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Texas is just like that and I like it too. Where I live, you almost can't win unless you run as a Democrat so a lot of local races are decided in the primary. Because I want to have some say in our judges and local representatives I probably vote in more Dem primaries than Republican ones.

Oh I have too, voted in Democratic primaries I mean. Georgia use to be that way, win the Democratic Primary and you're home free. The general was just for show. It wasn't until 2002 that we elected our first Republican Governor and state legislature since the civil war.
 
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You know about as much about California politics as I do about up state New York politics.

YOU said Democrats in California pushed for open primaries.

I posted a link that shows the Democrats in California suing to prevent open primaries.
 
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Completely off topic, as well as a not-so-thinly-veiled personal attack.



to my eyes your post is off topic..
 
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Eric Cantor?????
He will now make a deal with Obama on immigration just to get back at the TEAts.
"They" are here to "stay", such as GOP Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico, granddaughter of illegals.
She converted to the GOP to get elected, like Reagan .
You know about as much about California politics as I do about up state New York politics.
 
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Q:tell me a Lib policy that is working?

I would tell you, if we had any. The ostensibly "liberal" policies toward health care, energy, consumer protection, foreign policy et. al. are rarely if ever implemented.

Q:tell me one that has made me more safe..

See above.

We have two parties involved in making policy, one centrist, one largely center-right with a burgeoning right-wing influence.
 
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Cantor deserved this for demeaning amnesty for criminals here in our nation in violation of our immigration policies.


Centrist upset at a Republican for standing in the way of the Obama demands. Amusing.

Cantors loss is just the thing the Tea Party needed to get traction going in Va. I'm very happy to see this.
 
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I would tell you, if we had any. The ostensibly "liberal" policies toward health care, energy, consumer protection, foreign policy et. al. are rarely if ever implemented.



See above.

We have two parties involved in making policy, one centrist, one largely center-right with a burgeoning right-wing influence.

I live in the USA..Im not sure what country you are from..

and you answer was a white flag.. you have nothing..

color me shocked.. did Hillary write that nonsense?
 
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Eric Cantor?????
He will now make a deal with Obama on immigration just to get back at the TEAts.
"They" are here to "stay", such as GOP Governor Susana Martinez of New Mexico, granddaughter of illegals.
She converted to the GOP to get elected, like Reagan .

Lol, you don't convert to a Republican to get elected in New Mexico. I live in a part of Texas that borders New Mexico (yes I can see New Mexico from my house, lol) and I remember that race. She won on a platform of not granting divers licenses to illegal immigrants, which sounds like a reasonable position to me.
 
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I think the open primaries worked to the republicans advantage this year, at least concerning their senate nominations. There is a runoff scheduled for July 22 between Perdue and Kingston. But the tea party favorites lost big time, Broun, Gingrey and handal.

But I didn't vote in the Republican this year, I voted in the Democratic one.

The Tea Party movement wasn't as large in California as it was in most of the other states.

Those who would have been on board have probably already left the state.

Funny, those who use to keep California tax coffers full have left the state.

Now people like Bill Maher have to pay more than their fair share and Maher isn't a happy camper with California's taxes.

I wonder if HBO's "Real Time" will soon be moving to Texas ?
 
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