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    Re: House Majority Leader Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger[W:243:247:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    It says the republican party is dying and the libertarian party is growing.

    It says that there is no difference between a republican or a democrat.

    With the direction our government is headed the Tea Party and the Libertarian party will only get bigger and bigger and bigger.

    It's certainly a nightmare for progressives, republicans and democrats.

    Really? The question is this - if the size of the Libertarian Party does increase, from where will it obtain its extra size? Are those newly converted Democrats or Republicans? If Republicans, how will this move the party closer to the middle? If Democrat, how will the anti-left sentiment help it win broader appeal with moderate liberals?

    I don't see the Libertarians benefiting from this. All I see is what you painted above - the Republican party imploding onto itself in full plain view of the public. Or, the Republican party finally going Supernova, over a 14 year period of all its hydrogen (read: hot air) being burned up at its core. The Red Giant stage was most likely between the election of W., and the invasion of Iraq. Everything else since has been a total disaster for that party.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I am following your discussion with Zyph over the open primary issue.
    FYI, X factor has a thread up on this but I haven't checked it yet today.
    I also don't know if Virginia has a sore-loser's law, preventing Cantor from running as a 3rd-party in the fall.
    Thanks for that. I'll look for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    As I often note, the 10th amendment is a pick-and-choose thing for GOPs .
    Not for me, but I agree with you. For instance, I don't support Obamacare, but would potentially support a state healthcare plan like Romneycare. As for the election process for federal positions, that should be a federal rule and not a Tenth Amendment issue.

    Although, again, I can see your point. There are a number of these issues that the rabid right has that are not compatible with the Tenth Amendment - most of which have to do with our bedrooms. I've always said, that if the GOP would be less concerned with who we're having sex with or the way we're doing it or what we do afterwards, they could get a lot more people behind them. I told my Congressman (a long time good family friend before he ever ran for any office) that in my opinion the smaller government that the far right wants, is so small that it fits right inside everyone's bedroom. How can they be for less government, yet want the feds to regulate their idea of morality, which is not not just against the Tenth Amendment, but the First and in my opinion, the the Fourth.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    I think you did a fine job expressing yer views. I'm a fairly partisan Democrat, but I occasionally vote for Republicans. I agree with what you've said about primaries. It's a complicated issue, but in the end I think the system needs to discourage people from voting "insincerely."
    Thanks. I try but sometimes I let my mind wander, especially if I feel strongly about it.

    As I said in another post, I've never voted straight ticket Republican.

    Quote Originally Posted by mmi View Post
    A truly partisan Democrat would welcome a hard line by Republicans against immigration reform. It's strongly supported nationally and that support is likely to increase. If the GOP can be identified with strict opposition to immigration reform, Democratic candidates will benefit.
    I know this part wasn't for me, but I just wanted to say that I agree with your opinion, and have said almost the same in other posts in this thread. I think the Democrats would be hysterically happy to get another Tea Party intransigent in the House, especially with the 2016 Presidential election coming up. They can use every one of them to get their base and many moderates to get out to the polls and vote Democrat for President- which is not what I want, but...

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    States writing their own rules for who votes in the primary is the very essence of the 10th amendment, so a DEM would oppose that.
    Democrats support the Constitution, so I don't know what yer talking about. If I'm interpreting what you said correctly, let me say that, within reason, I have no problem with states setting primary rules however they want. I'd also remind you that political parties have important input into primary rules.

    Here's a page from FairVote.org that provides easy access to information about primary rules.

    >> It is even more egregious when it involves Federal candidates from one region affecting those of another.

    I don't know what that means.

    >>People think this guy is elected. Wait until he speaks and removes all doubt about immigration and other "Akin" beliefs.

    I of course hope the Democrat takes the seat, but it seems unlikely. I have a suspicion that Brat, if elected, may end up disappointing some on the Right.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    People are already comparing Brat, who has a doctorate in economics and masters in divinity, to Todd Akin?

    Never mind that Todd Akin was never the Tea Party candidate. That was a liberal lie the media took and ran with.
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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Travis007 View Post
    Good Lord.. thats nothing compared to your Dem heros...give me a break..SOROS= OBAMA..

    Your vitriol is weak Romney leftover nonsense
    You do realize I've posted my ballot right?

    It's embarrassing how weak your arguments are.

    Cantor would sell out the Middle Class if Wall Street promised him $10 million in campaign donations. Oh...he already did.
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    Re: House Majority Leader Cantor loses GOP primary to tea-party challenger[W:243:247:

    Daily Show was pretty awesome on this: Yes Virginia, there is a Cantor Loss.
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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Bigfoot 88 View Post
    People are already comparing Brat, who has a doctorate in economics and masters in divinity, to Todd Akin?

    Never mind that Todd Akin was never the Tea Party candidate. That was a liberal lie the media took and ran with.
    Given Brat's failure to answer very simple policy questions, Brat may end up saying something Akins like and torpedoing his campaign. That said, it's going to be real hard to lose that district for the GOP.
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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    The people who are attributing this to Brat's persona are seriously kidding themselves.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If you didn't like Cantor... just wait. Another Ted Cruz just elected. The Tea Party in Congress has one response to anything... No. They don't have alternative ideas or stand for anything. All they do is stand against things.

    This is a sad day for the GOP.

    You know that Virginia is an Open Primary state where anyone, regardless of political affiliation, can vote in any primary? In other words, Democrats could have come out to vote against Cantor in the Republican Primary. That should not be legal. It has to be an infringement on the First Amendment Right of GOP voters that Democrats can vote in their primary, or vice versa. Hell, isn't that what the General Election is for?
    I agree. Dems shouldn't be allowed to stuff votes in another party's primary, Republicans shouldn't be allowed to run "fake Democrat" candidates or vice versa.
    If there really is such a thing as "voter fraud" it isn't dishonest people presenting fake ID's at the polling place or crooked registrars and party ops stuffing boxes with votes from dead people, it's THIS right here.

    And it's wrong no matter which party does it, too.
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