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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    And yet Stephen Harper has been Prime Minister for 8 years, another year left in this mandate, and he's likely to get reelected next year
    I'm not going to make this debate about Stephen Harper, I just find your hypocrisy hilarious. No one likes Harper except hardcore Canadian conservatives (and of course American conservatives... and Israel). If Canadians re-elect Harper, how are they different from Americans who have re-elected Obama (who you consistently take a dump on)?

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Not only did Brat a no name economics professor with a clear message take out a head of the Republican leadership on a shoestring budget no less, his campaign manager just turned 23 last month! Dang hope really does float!

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by voyager1 View Post
    VA is an open primary state, I would be curious how many Dems voted for him. I am sure some did. As for Dems voting in in GOP primaries, Umm no that is not a 1st amendment issue.
    How can it not at least be a First Amendment issue? The primary is where each party has its members choose who they wish to have represent them in the General Election. If the party's members voice is nullified by members of the other party, it is suppression of speech. Regardless of which party. The General Election is where each side has the opportunity to vote for their candidate and/or against the other candidate. What an open primary allows, is the other party to interfere with the franchise right and the First Amendment right of the other party's members.

    It should be illegal to do so. Regardless of party.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    You want "liberal policies" that work? Crime policy. Violent crime has dropped significantly in the last 20+ years, thanks largely to Democratic policies (although again, I hesitate to refer to the Democrats as "liberal"). Just off the top of my head.

    show me.. your words are meaningless.. and to me nothing but spin and nonsense.. like what policy?

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    What polling data re: Obama are you looking at?
    are you serious .. you really dont know... ?

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    That is such a phenomenally disingenuous accusation, winky-emoticon or no.
    you will be wipied out over this off the wall postion that the Dems are "pro all women"..

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I'm not going to make this debate about Stephen Harper, I just find your hypocrisy hilarious. No one likes Harper except hardcore Canadian conservatives (and of course American conservatives... and Israel). If Canadians re-elect Harper, how are they different from Americans who have re-elected Obama (who you consistently take a dump on)?
    If you weren't going to make this about Stephen Harper, why did you bring him up?

    People in Canada keep voting for Stephen Harper and his government because he's a good leader and his government has been very successful - just check around the world and see which country is admired for their stewardship of their finances and economy since the 2007/2008 financial crisis - which country has consistently led the G7 in economic performance during that time - I guarantee it won't be America and Obama.

    I have no idea why some Americans voted to reelect Obama - I'm not a mental health professional.
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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by Beaudreaux View Post
    If the party's members voice is nullified by members of the other party, it is suppression of speech.
    No, it's not, because you're using a false equivilency.

    If two people vote, and each vote for a different person, neither of them is "nullifying" the other persons vote. Rather, each is giving one vote for their given candidate. If they were actually "nullifying" each other's vote then the tally would not increase, as that vote would cease to exist within the system.

    There is no supression of speech here. For there to be a supression of speech individuals would have to be kept from that speech...which is not the case. Rather, others are simply ALSO engaging in speech.

    If I say RED is the best color in the world and you come over and say "No, BLUE is the best color in the world", your comment didn't "nullify" mine or "surpress" mine simply because it went a different direction. Rather, both of our instances of speech stand seperately.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If you weren't going to make this about Stephen Harper, why did you bring him up?
    Because you are a Canadian criticizing Obama's failures and crapping on the people who re-elected him. Turnabout is fair play.

    People in Canada keep voting for Stephen Harper and his government because he's a good leader and his government has been very successful - just check around the world and see which country is admired for their stewardship of their finances and economy since the 2007/2008 financial crisis - which country has consistently led the G7 in economic performance during that time - I guarantee it won't be America and Obama.
    Canada weathered the financial crisis because Canada has a different banking system. Harper wants to make the Canada more like the US in virtually every respect, and has rejected economist warnings that Canada might not survive the next crisis if it doesn't do better with regulation and oversight.

    In terms of foreign policy, Harper has been a JOKE and an embarrassment to the nation. The only thing Harper had to do was stay neutral in the Israel/Palestinian conflict, and he couldn't even do that.

    I have no idea why some Americans voted to reelect Obama - I'm not a mental health professional.
    I have no idea why some Canadians voted to reelect Harper -- I'm not a mental health professional.

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    Re: Eric Cantor is Gone

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Good. I like No. Its a fine word and the most powerful. The more its said in Washington the better.
    Saying the word no is not the problem, and I agree that's it's a good word to use, especially in DC. The problem is no alternatives from the Tea Party and no ability to get anything done even if they did.

    On immigration, there are laws already on the books now, that would secure the border, hold employers criminally and civilly liable for hiring illegals, and do nothing toward further amnesty. And, that... that was what Cantor stood for. The Democrats and the Tea Party inaccurately said that Cantor was in favor of amnesty - the Democrats so they could spin his willingness to even talk to them, ans the Tea Party so they could spin his willingness to talk as some sort of being a traitor to "the cause."

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